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PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 10:37

Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

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HildegardP · 31/10/2025 15:55

Greyskybluesky · 30/10/2025 22:49

My thoughts exactly!

Now I am sure this is all a spoof

You're right, the posts do read like a Noughties Poe. The gag started with people writing as first person spoofs of religious fundamentalists then broadened into pretty much any area of debate, eventually there were so many of them replying to one another that the joke went flat.

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 12:39

Might have been a typo. 'Exotic Lobelias'?

Beowulfa · 31/10/2025 12:33

Perhaps we've all misunderstood, and Swift's desire for "exotic lovelies" is actually a wish to join up with fellow enthusiasts for wholesome horticultural fun with cannas, bananas, tree ferns and suchlike.

Lots of good advice here: https://www.rhs.org.uk/garden-design/exotic-and-subtropical-gardening

Exotic and subtropical gardening / RHS

Exotic and subtropical gardening / RHS

Create the atmosphere of a lush subtropical oasis in your own garden using bold foliage and dazzling hot flower colours.

https://www.rhs.org.uk/garden-design/exotic-and-subtropical-gardening

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 31/10/2025 10:25

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 07:37

What makes you think KJK is on the right? She's an ex Labour member.

Oh wow. That I did not know. Shows how well slung mud sticks.

Igneococcus · 31/10/2025 08:18

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 31/10/2025 08:09

Oh wow 😀

wasnt it helle that showed a screenshot of her many many positive reactions following a poster who had something like 3…

bringing a knife to a gun fight

I missed that one.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 31/10/2025 08:09

Oh wow 😀

wasnt it helle that showed a screenshot of her many many positive reactions following a poster who had something like 3…

bringing a knife to a gun fight

Igneococcus · 31/10/2025 08:04

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 31/10/2025 07:54

I still wonder why all those people messaging swift in support don't do this on the threads

well i think when people say this and similar on threads that the people they refer to are imaginary

there was a funny one the other day, the poster in question ‘shared’ part of a supportive private message they had received about what a truly wonderful person they were….they honestly thought that it was a mic drop 😀, they had actual evidence 😀😀😀

Haha, I remember someone a few month ago, can't now remember who it was now, say, all proud, that they received nine reactions to their post and a few days later Boiled posted a screenshot of her MN page (to show someone how to do something on MN) and in the corner of the screenshot you could see that she had something like 380 unopened notification in her profile.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 31/10/2025 07:54

I still wonder why all those people messaging swift in support don't do this on the threads

well i think when people say this and similar on threads that the people they refer to are imaginary

there was a funny one the other day, the poster in question ‘shared’ part of a supportive private message they had received about what a truly wonderful person they were….they honestly thought that it was a mic drop 😀, they had actual evidence 😀😀😀

Igneococcus · 31/10/2025 07:45

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 30/10/2025 22:46

One lovely lady just this morning messaged me to say that I was doing a great job showing people how tolerant the left are and that I should keep it up.

is it just me or does that sound really sarcastic

I don't think swift would recognize sarcasm.
I still wonder why all those people messaging swift in support don't do this on the threads. What do they fear would happen on an anonymous forum?

ArabellaSaurus · 31/10/2025 07:37

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 30/10/2025 23:05

This isn't going to be well-structured, I'm thinking into a text box.

The thread subject reminded me of KJK saying on TwiX that "right wing women are women".

KJK is pretty far to the right and has platformed Black women at her Let Women Speak rallies, even putting her arm around one after she'd spoken about something nasty that had happened to her. This isn't the action of a racist. The oh-so-racist Tory party have had Black and brown people in top positions. This isn't the action of a racist party leadership.

The OP mentioned US women. Is a strong association between racism and political "right" perhaps a US thing? Let's assume that it might be, because we've heard of the KKK and Proud Boys. But then we know that Reform politicians aren't exactly politically-correct, so we can't discount that link here.

Dworkin observed that right wing men and left wing men agree that women are property and merely disagree as to the type of property: public or private.

During November 2024, in two US states, voters voted to enshrine abortion access in the state constitution on the same ballot paper that they voted for Trump. Some blue states also voted abortion access into their constitution. This tells us that at least some men on both left and right respect women sufficiently to protect our rights to control our pregnancy outcomes. Dworkin's observation is, tediously, qualified with NAMALT.

Our latest community disruptor has demonstrated that some people regard Black and brown people as exploitable resources, in this case, for sex. This made me look again and see a pattern in how the left treats Black and brown people. And I realised something I hadn't seen before.

The left likes special DEI groups like workplace race equality networks, affinity groups within political parties, etc. These aren't inherently bad, because it can be nice to have organising space away from people who Don't Get It. However, it's dawning on me now that these groups can abused as a way of corralling people so that you don't have to listen to them whilst still pretending that you are listening to get the good optics and ally points, and you can carry on with your mostly white leadership and mostly-white conference making the decisions. If you've seen Brassed Off, you'll remember the scene where Gloria submits her report and realises that it was a tickbox exercise and no one will even read it: the "listening exercises" and written submissions from the race equality focus groups can be, and are, ignored the same way.

I'm realising that left wing and right wing white people can both consider exploit Black and brown people as property, in the Marxist sense of property as an "exploitable resource". The right wing historically saw Black and brown people as literal private property via chattel slavery, and more recently mean low-paid workers working for your company or cleaning your home. The left wing treat Black and brown people as public property to exploit in a more impersonal looking way, by virtue-signalling and tokenism to get union dues and votes, but not put into leadership roles where they might have an actual say. And, just like with Dworkin's observation about women, this is qualified with NAWPALT. The Tory party wouldn't have put Kemi and Rishi into the top job and made Suella Home Secretary, and Labour wouldn't have made Shabana Home Secretary, if all white people were like that.

So, relevantly to the thread topic: yes, some right wing women are racist, so are some left wing women, and that's because racism is a problem across the whole political spectrum that manifests differently between left and right.

What makes you think KJK is on the right? She's an ex Labour member.

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 23:19

TempestTost · 30/10/2025 23:11

Do you think it's true, though?

Because honestly it seems to me they probably don't want her there because she can't work with others and is a major PITA, and I would take her claim that they won't let any woman in with a huge grain of salt. She's not reliable.

Everyone I know in Labour, and this is regardless of faction, says she's impossible to work with.

Apparently she also had that reputation in the NUS.

I've heard people in Corbynworld who were very sympathetic to her a few months ago, but after being exposed to her constant showboating, now say she should never be put in charge of anything.

To be fair, the Gaza MPs are socially conservative Muslim men, and it's no great stretch of the imagination to think they might be a bit sexist. Or maybe their disregard for her has deepened by actually having to work with her.

Listening to Zarah reminds me of those podcast interviews Liz Truss has taken to doing where she complains that she was sabotaged by the deep state and betrayed by her backbenchers - well yes, that's true, but she gave them all the ammunition they needed and the silly woman still can't see that.

TempestTost · 30/10/2025 23:11

rriffraff · 30/10/2025 19:46

Did anyone see that Zara Sultana said that 'Your Party' was a boy's club:

Unfortunately, I have been subjected to what can only be described as a sexist boys’ club: I have been treated appallingly and excluded completely. They have refused to allow any other women with voting rights to the Working Group, blocking the gender-balanced committee that both Jeremy and I signed up to.”

So that is how the Islamo-Leftist wing is approaching women's rights.

Do you think it's true, though?

Because honestly it seems to me they probably don't want her there because she can't work with others and is a major PITA, and I would take her claim that they won't let any woman in with a huge grain of salt. She's not reliable.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 30/10/2025 23:05

This isn't going to be well-structured, I'm thinking into a text box.

The thread subject reminded me of KJK saying on TwiX that "right wing women are women".

KJK is pretty far to the right and has platformed Black women at her Let Women Speak rallies, even putting her arm around one after she'd spoken about something nasty that had happened to her. This isn't the action of a racist. The oh-so-racist Tory party have had Black and brown people in top positions. This isn't the action of a racist party leadership.

The OP mentioned US women. Is a strong association between racism and political "right" perhaps a US thing? Let's assume that it might be, because we've heard of the KKK and Proud Boys. But then we know that Reform politicians aren't exactly politically-correct, so we can't discount that link here.

Dworkin observed that right wing men and left wing men agree that women are property and merely disagree as to the type of property: public or private.

During November 2024, in two US states, voters voted to enshrine abortion access in the state constitution on the same ballot paper that they voted for Trump. Some blue states also voted abortion access into their constitution. This tells us that at least some men on both left and right respect women sufficiently to protect our rights to control our pregnancy outcomes. Dworkin's observation is, tediously, qualified with NAMALT.

Our latest community disruptor has demonstrated that some people regard Black and brown people as exploitable resources, in this case, for sex. This made me look again and see a pattern in how the left treats Black and brown people. And I realised something I hadn't seen before.

The left likes special DEI groups like workplace race equality networks, affinity groups within political parties, etc. These aren't inherently bad, because it can be nice to have organising space away from people who Don't Get It. However, it's dawning on me now that these groups can abused as a way of corralling people so that you don't have to listen to them whilst still pretending that you are listening to get the good optics and ally points, and you can carry on with your mostly white leadership and mostly-white conference making the decisions. If you've seen Brassed Off, you'll remember the scene where Gloria submits her report and realises that it was a tickbox exercise and no one will even read it: the "listening exercises" and written submissions from the race equality focus groups can be, and are, ignored the same way.

I'm realising that left wing and right wing white people can both consider exploit Black and brown people as property, in the Marxist sense of property as an "exploitable resource". The right wing historically saw Black and brown people as literal private property via chattel slavery, and more recently mean low-paid workers working for your company or cleaning your home. The left wing treat Black and brown people as public property to exploit in a more impersonal looking way, by virtue-signalling and tokenism to get union dues and votes, but not put into leadership roles where they might have an actual say. And, just like with Dworkin's observation about women, this is qualified with NAWPALT. The Tory party wouldn't have put Kemi and Rishi into the top job and made Suella Home Secretary, and Labour wouldn't have made Shabana Home Secretary, if all white people were like that.

So, relevantly to the thread topic: yes, some right wing women are racist, so are some left wing women, and that's because racism is a problem across the whole political spectrum that manifests differently between left and right.

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 22:54

Wow. Just... wow.

I'm not easily impressed by celebrity, but I never thought I'd see Andrew Doyle pop up on FWR.

Greyskybluesky · 30/10/2025 22:49

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 30/10/2025 22:46

One lovely lady just this morning messaged me to say that I was doing a great job showing people how tolerant the left are and that I should keep it up.

is it just me or does that sound really sarcastic

My thoughts exactly!

Now I am sure this is all a spoof

BundleBoogie · 30/10/2025 22:47

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 22:17

That post almost made me want to leave the forum, I swear if it wasn’t for some of the wonderful messages of support people send me I would have lost hope already. One lovely lady just this morning messaged me to say that I was doing a great job showing people how tolerant the left are and that I should keep it up. I hope she knows how much I appreciate these kind words ❤

So I’m guessing you’re not a leftist at all?

You have been anything but tolerant of others. You have called for people to be prevented from choosing how to vote, used racial slurs against white people, called for people forced to make their votes public and made utterly inappropriate comments about your ‘proclivities’ for sex with black men in African countries.

If you are leftist as you claim, it shows how utterly intolerant the left is.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 30/10/2025 22:46

One lovely lady just this morning messaged me to say that I was doing a great job showing people how tolerant the left are and that I should keep it up.

is it just me or does that sound really sarcastic

GoldThumb · 30/10/2025 22:45

It’s getting into ‘and I’m telling you Spain were never communist, learn history mate!’ territory 😂

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 22:35

good grief

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 22:33

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 22:25

You know Swift, if you would like to discuss the tolerant left, I have many, many stories that I would be happy to share.

Another day perhaps, I am going to bed now where I will try to manifest a more agreeable interaction between us all in the future through the power of tantric dreaming 🧘‍♀️

Goodnight all x

SionnachRuadh · 30/10/2025 22:25

You know Swift, if you would like to discuss the tolerant left, I have many, many stories that I would be happy to share.

GoldThumb · 30/10/2025 22:22

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 22:17

That post almost made me want to leave the forum, I swear if it wasn’t for some of the wonderful messages of support people send me I would have lost hope already. One lovely lady just this morning messaged me to say that I was doing a great job showing people how tolerant the left are and that I should keep it up. I hope she knows how much I appreciate these kind words ❤

I’m glad to see your mental health break away from the internet, of 51 minutes, has done the job it was meant to.

Keep on keeping on hun x

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 22:17

GoldThumb · 30/10/2025 21:56

Aww swift, never change 🤣

That post almost made me want to leave the forum, I swear if it wasn’t for some of the wonderful messages of support people send me I would have lost hope already. One lovely lady just this morning messaged me to say that I was doing a great job showing people how tolerant the left are and that I should keep it up. I hope she knows how much I appreciate these kind words ❤

GoldThumb · 30/10/2025 21:56

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 20:26

😳

I don’t think anybody has ever talked to me like that before in my life. I am a little taken back to be honest, not sure how to respond. Think I’ll log out for a bit.

Aww swift, never change 🤣

GoldThumb · 30/10/2025 21:51

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/10/2025 08:29

Here’s this totally legit poster advocating sex tourism on an AIBU thread, just like a real lefty woman would.

would be nice to get an explanation of where you’re coming from here swift

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5433356-to-want-a-south-american-husband?page=4&reply=148111958

Sounds like fetishisation of black men to me…