Met Police set to reopen 9,000 cases in major London grooming gangs probe

@Swiftasthewind Philips is not trying to say anything, you are the one desperately trying to cling on to a disproven rhetoric.

He IS clearly saying that these people collaborate in groups linked by family ties and that it was no secret in the community. Philips has been investigating this issue fro 20 years. What is in your mind that makes you an expert and drives you to protect rapists in this way? It is disturbing that your concern is for male rapists not the children they have raped. You seem to really struggle with facts and this is a major issue on the left, that has left children in the clutches of rapists whilst the Police and social care protect the rapists.

You need to think what is driving your bigotry here. Why do you think 99% of sexual violence is carried out by white men? Why is your instinct to brand Trevor Philips a racist? Why do you not believe the rapists themselves who in court said they wanted "to fuck white girls and fuck the government" and many similar comments?

Please try and explain because it will help me understand why these children have been treated so horrifically for so long.

‘It’s like when people claim that grooming gangs were targeting young girls because they were white, trying to add an extra dynamic to the equation in order to stir up tensions between communities‘

People like the victims themselves?

Yep, I’m sure the main motives of these victims, who have stated repeatedly that they were targeted for being white, was solely to stir up tensions.

This attitude is exactly why it was allowed to happen, and indeed continues to happen.

But you carry on calling victims liars, and continue turning a blind eye, if that’s what it takes to make you feel morally superior.

What a ‘good’ person you are.

Gold fucking star. ⭐

yes, I highlighted that section too

it's an excellent article and very clear about the issues at hand here

the Overton window is shifting on this I think

Trevor Phillips has cut to the core of this here, and identified the major problem. He is a very intelligent and incisive journalist, I've found.

Fantastic article by Trevor Philips.

Fourth, the vast majority of abused children know their abusers. They are relatives, teachers, religious and community leaders, even friends of their parents. By contrast, the grooming gangs’ victims do not know their rapists and may never see them more than once. Many are taken to other towns to be raped by dozens of strangers.And finally, the grooming gangs are the only group of abusers who can and do count on political protection from local authorities, from social workers, from police, often based on ethnic affinity.
This, of course, is the real reason that no one in politics wants to know. The few victims who speak out are heroines. But the villains they can identify are only part of the awful story. The worst moral stench is attached to those who know the truth and turn a blind eye. They should stink to high heaven. But identifying and exposing them will be a painstaking, detailed, filthy task that needs to be pursued without distraction or complication.

Ethnic affinity? What is he trying to say, these people collaborate with one another because they share a common heritage/religion? Isn’t that a bit racist to suggest? It’s like when people claim that grooming gangs were targeting young girls because they were white, trying to add an extra dynamic to the equation in order to stir up tensions between communities. I don’t like where that is going…

Trevor Phillips has a very powerful article in the Times today about why the grooming gang enquiry should not be expanded to cover other issues / groups. He points out that ..."the grooming gangs are the only group of abusers who can and do count on political protection from local authorities, from social workers, from police, often based on ethnic affinity"

Those in power have reasons for expanding the enquiry in order to obscure the findings and avoid accountability:

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/grooming-inquiry-must-stay-true-to-victims-qlxrj3hbd

Archive link:

https://archive.ph/FG6sX

Exactly.

Me too.

I think there are probably 3 things going on here

1. It's well accepted that where men hold misogynistic views they are more dangerous to women ( It identified a strong association between toxic masculinity and sexual violence, with those who reported committing offences also admitting to misogynistic views, such as believing that women who get drunk are to blame if they get raped https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/29/research-reveals-rapes-and-assaults-admitted-to-by-male-uk-students )

2. I have seen studies (although can't find them now, obvs), implying that a hefty minority of men will rape if they feel they can get away with it

3. what essentially boils down to local corruption meaning a blind eye was turned

So men who hold regressive and misogynistic views found they could get away with harming and exploiting women and girls with no consequences

and I'm going to guess item 3 is what is sending Labour Grandees into a cold sweat in the middle of the night

You know that 99% of sexual violence in London is committed by white British men?

I’m going to need you to provide the proof for this absolutely fucking delusional statement.

The more you look the more it stinks. I genuinely think Labour are actively involved in a cover up now. I would have thought it paranoid before to believe, but it really feels like it.

Ultimately we have thousands of victims and given the sheer scale of cases in London I think it’s probably safe to say that we are looking at tens of thousands of victims. As Trevor Phillios points out many victims will never come forward and many perpetrators will never be caught.

There is no way I’m going to shut up about this.

Exactly. It seems there is so much as yet uncovered depth and complexity to this specific situation (not to mention the allegations that it is still ongoing in some areas and the vast number of victims), that anything other than a laser focus would make the inquiry unwieldy, impossible to manage and take decades.

I guess some would see that as a benefit.

I think thats the problem, Jess Phillips looked fucking desperate tbh. I think there is a risk that a focused investigation will expose more than we already know and it’ll be bad.

I assumed it was about votes, now I think it’s about genuinely trying to hide criminality.

I cannot see how it benefits the victims of these horrific crimes to widen the scope and lose focus. While there are similarities in the situations, losing focus from the original remit will weaken the investigation into specifically how these particular grooming gangs were allowed to happen and continue.

I can certainly see the attraction for many reasons to broaden the focus though.

Quite. Why else would Alison Lowe, Deputy Mayor of West Yorkshire, say that she ‘did not want a review anywhere in West Yorkshire’ which includes Bradford, one of the worst affected areas?

The Muslim Council of Britain apparently would give qualified support to an enquiry with a huge emphasis on stopping ‘racism’ being a factor.

From their website:

Those who seek to weaponise this issue against Muslims have already got answers they didn’t want from previous inquiries. Despite persistent racist narratives, recent data from the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse for 2022/23 show that perpetrators come from all backgrounds and that most group-based offenders are white.”

https://mcb.org.uk/mcb-we-need-truth-and-action-against-child-sexual-abuse-gangs-not-a-racist-witch-hunt/

It does seem like there is something rather cyclical happening.

That’s a good point. Add to that the expanding definitions of Islamophobia that in the Labour Party includes ‘targeting expressions of Muslimness’ . Given the behaviour of the Pakistani Muslim rapists and the support they had from their families and communities, we would be forgiven for assuming that an ‘expression of Muslimness’ may well be raping white girls. I think the Koran says that non believers are not fully human so that adds up.

The Labour Party has the text below on its website. Note that it lists ‘Islam’ as a protected characteristic.

Code of Conduct
Introduction

1. The NEC will view any acts of discrimination, prejudice or hostility based on religion or race as prejudicial and grossly detrimental to the Labour Party and its interests. Chapter 2, clause I.8 of the Labour Party Rule book applies to all members of the Labour Party. It provides:
2. “No member of the Party shall engage in conduct which in the opinion of the NEC is prejudicial, or in any act which in the opinion of the NEC is grossly detrimental to the Party. The NEC and NCC shall take account of any codes of conduct currently in force and shall regard any incident which in their view might reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility or prejudice based on age; disability; gender reassignment or identity; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex; or sexual orientation as conduct prejudicial to the Party: these shall include but not be limited to incidents involving racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia or otherwise racist language, sentiments, stereotypes or actions, sexual harassment, bullying or any form of intimidation towards another person on the basis of a protected characteristic as determined by the NEC, wherever it occurs, as conduct prejudicial to the Party. The disclosure of confidential information relating to the Party or to any other member, unless the disclosure is duly authorised or made pursuant to a legal obligation, shall also be considered conduct prejudicial to the Party.”
3. This Code of Conduct on Islamophobia supplements the “Code of Conduct: Antisemitism and other forms of racism,” reproduced in Appendix 9 to the Labour Party Rule Book. The NEC and NCC will take this Code of Conduct on Islamophobia into account when determining allegations of hostility or prejudice based on the protected characteristic of Islam or towards Muslims.
4. Complaints of Islamophobia will be investigated and processed in accordance with the Labour Party’s disciplinary policies, which can be found on the Labour Party’s website and in the Labour Party Complaint Handling Handbook.What is Islamophobia?
5. There is no single agreed definition of Islamophobia, albeit various civic, social, legal and political sources have attempted to define it. One definition is the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslim’s definition (APPG). The APPG defines Islamophobia as:

What I'd previously thought was that the powers that be were avoiding talking about the issues because they wanted to polish their anti racist credentials.

What hadn't quite occurred to me, and what now seems to be lurking in the wings, is that the powers that be were potentially directly involved - either in the abuse itself, or the subsequent failures to address, or the subsequent cover ups.

Which altogether sheds a different light on the subject.

If this is a possibility, then Labour have a problem on their hands that's so big I cant even see the edges.

Exactly this

Right? That'll definitely help de escalate and restore trust.

You’re the only one saying that. Who has suggested that it’s only ‘Johnny foreigner’ (your term but weird) that abuses/ disrespects women snd girls.

You have clearly been asleep for years snd missed all the conversations and national revulsion for the current situation. Why have you only perked up when we’re discussing a particular group? It seems that your attitude is part of the problem that has caused serious harm to thousands. Why would you want to contribute to the harm?

In your eagerness to berate us about talking about this specific issue at this particular time, you seem to have missed the million other conversations taking place about all the other sources and forms of sexual abuse and exploitation and the widespread public revulsion for all of them.

Talking about one specific sub topic which is very closely related to another sub topic (the rise in numbers of men from other countries who are proportionately even more likely than white men to commit crime) is just part of the overall conversation about sexual abuse.

It is telling that you are upset about us talking about the long term sexual abuse and torture of thousands of girls that has been deliberately enabled by the authorities. Don’t you think that’s an important thing to discuss?

I do have to admire the perfect circularity of using racism as an excuse to not properly investigate using racism as an excuse to not properly investigate.

Maybe the investigation is doing it's job, but not in the way intended - rather by reenacting the behaviour from all the same groups all over again to show exactly how it happened.

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/grooming-inquiry-must-stay-true-to-victims-qlxrj3hbd

Timely.