Met Police set to reopen 9,000 cases in major London grooming gangs probe

You may need to start reading up on the basics of this issue as the whole point seems to have whooshed straight over your head.

Get back to us when you’ve caught up.

This is the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Everything comes down to white supremacy, because apparently only the ‘white man’ has any fucking agency, and all non-white people are just bumbling NPCs, too stupid to understand they are doing the ‘white mans’ bidding?

’We’ must be responsible somehow?

No idea how or why, but ‘we’ simply just ‘must’ be?

How? Why? Where’s the fucking logic?

And you want to talk about racism?
It’d be laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous.

You may need to start reading up on the basics of this issue as the whole point seems to have whooshed straight over your head.

Get back to us when you’ve caught up.

Ethnic affinity? What is he trying to say, these people collaborate with one another because they share a common heritage/religion? Isn’t that a bit racist to suggest? It’s like when people claim that grooming gangs were targeting young girls because they were white, trying to add an extra dynamic to the equation in order to stir up tensions between communities. I don’t like where that is going…

That’s a good point. Add to that the expanding definitions of Islamophobia that in the Labour Party includes ‘targeting expressions of Muslimness’ . Given the behaviour of the Pakistani Muslim rapists and the support they had from their families and communities, we would be forgiven for assuming that an ‘expression of Muslimness’ may well be raping white girls. I think the Koran says that non believers are not fully human so that adds up.

The Labour Party has the text below on its website. Note that it lists ‘Islam’ as a protected characteristic.

Code of Conduct
Introduction

1. The NEC will view any acts of discrimination, prejudice or hostility based on religion or race as prejudicial and grossly detrimental to the Labour Party and its interests. Chapter 2, clause I.8 of the Labour Party Rule book applies to all members of the Labour Party. It provides:
2. “No member of the Party shall engage in conduct which in the opinion of the NEC is prejudicial, or in any act which in the opinion of the NEC is grossly detrimental to the Party. The NEC and NCC shall take account of any codes of conduct currently in force and shall regard any incident which in their view might reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility or prejudice based on age; disability; gender reassignment or identity; marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion or belief; sex; or sexual orientation as conduct prejudicial to the Party: these shall include but not be limited to incidents involving racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia or otherwise racist language, sentiments, stereotypes or actions, sexual harassment, bullying or any form of intimidation towards another person on the basis of a protected characteristic as determined by the NEC, wherever it occurs, as conduct prejudicial to the Party. The disclosure of confidential information relating to the Party or to any other member, unless the disclosure is duly authorised or made pursuant to a legal obligation, shall also be considered conduct prejudicial to the Party.”
3. This Code of Conduct on Islamophobia supplements the “Code of Conduct: Antisemitism and other forms of racism,” reproduced in Appendix 9 to the Labour Party Rule Book. The NEC and NCC will take this Code of Conduct on Islamophobia into account when determining allegations of hostility or prejudice based on the protected characteristic of Islam or towards Muslims.
4. Complaints of Islamophobia will be investigated and processed in accordance with the Labour Party’s disciplinary policies, which can be found on the Labour Party’s website and in the Labour Party Complaint Handling Handbook.What is Islamophobia?
5. There is no single agreed definition of Islamophobia, albeit various civic, social, legal and political sources have attempted to define it. One definition is the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslim’s definition (APPG). The APPG defines Islamophobia as:

Yes I know what you’re saying but I just cannot shake the idea that we are somehow responsible for this in some way. I have lived and breathed left wing institutions for my entire adult life, my father was a Professor and expert in the field of racial activism, then later critical race theory. All oppression and prejudice can be traced back to white supremacy, that is what was drilled into me by everybody I’ve known.

Because of this topic I’ve started to read a few accounts now of the girls and started reading about a brave woman who goes by the name Sammy Woodhouse (not sure if that’s her real name or an alias but that’s irrelevant) and of course her accounts are harrowing. I don’t understand though, if they are so afraid of us, then why would they seek out and target white girls for exploitation?

There’s just so much to make sense of, I cannot wrap my head around this at all. This wasn’t how multiculturalism was supposed to go.

Yes I know what you’re saying but I just cannot shake the idea that we are somehow responsible for this in some way. I have lived and breathed left wing institutions for my entire adult life, my father was a Professor and expert in the field of racial activism, then later critical race theory. All oppression and prejudice can be traced back to white supremacy, that is what was drilled into me by everybody I’ve known.

Because of this topic I’ve started to read a few accounts now of the girls and started reading about a brave woman who goes by the name Sammy Woodhouse (not sure if that’s her real name or an alias but that’s irrelevant) and of course her accounts are harrowing. I don’t understand though, if they are so afraid of us, then why would they seek out and target white girls for exploitation?

There’s just so much to make sense of, I cannot wrap my head around this at all. This wasn’t how multiculturalism was supposed to go.

The more you look the more it stinks. I genuinely think Labour are actively involved in a cover up now. I would have thought it paranoid before to believe, but it really feels like it.

Ultimately we have thousands of victims and given the sheer scale of cases in London I think it’s probably safe to say that we are looking at tens of thousands of victims. As Trevor Phillios points out many victims will never come forward and many perpetrators will never be caught.

There is no way I’m going to shut up about this.

I think there are probably 3 things going on here

1. It's well accepted that where men hold misogynistic views they are more dangerous to women ( It identified a strong association between toxic masculinity and sexual violence, with those who reported committing offences also admitting to misogynistic views, such as believing that women who get drunk are to blame if they get raped https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/29/research-reveals-rapes-and-assaults-admitted-to-by-male-uk-students )

2. I have seen studies (although can't find them now, obvs), implying that a hefty minority of men will rape if they feel they can get away with it

3. what essentially boils down to local corruption meaning a blind eye was turned

So men who hold regressive and misogynistic views found they could get away with harming and exploiting women and girls with no consequences

and I'm going to guess item 3 is what is sending Labour Grandees into a cold sweat in the middle of the night

Seriously?
Read up on these grooming gangs and exactly what went on. You will perhaps then understand what crimes went on, and the attitudes to the victims.
These girls and women were not listened to, nor suported and many have not received justice and we need to ask why.

I have enormous respect for Trevor Phillips. He is a man of huge intelligence and integrity. The labour party have treated him very badly, which, I think, tells us everything we need to know.

Because it’s worked so far to shut it down, for the last few decades. That ship has most definitely sailed.

Why is it the assumption that the motive of stirring up tensions is the basis of people’s problem with this?

Why are people worrying more about ‘gifting’ racists reasons to be racist, than they are with the fact people are seeing crimes committed by Muslim men against white girls being covered up?

Why is that the focus?

I agree with all of that. I’ve met her, and thought she was ok. Another MN regular will tell you she signed our copies of her book with “keep up the fight” or similar after we asked her in the Q&A about trans stuff (I don’t have it where I’m living at the moment so can’t check the actual wording). But she’s not a highly principled woman, I don’t think.

And that has been the whole problem.
Oh, we have this issue... it seems to be race based... it might make some Palistani-origin people look bad which could reflect on the whole community and cause a stir.
I know! Let's cover it up and accuse anyone trying to publicise it of being a racist!
Fab idea!
<cover up ensues, with side order of accusations of racism of anyone trying to publicise the issue, as girls continue to be raped>

Thus guaranteeing that when, as was always inevitable, the matter finally flies into the wider public consciousness, all hell breaks loose, since it looks as if 'the Muslims' have been protected by the police and the political class while 'our white girls' have been left exposed to predatory men.

Don't you see what a massive gift the cover-up has been to just the sort of people who want to stir up ethnic tension, allowing them to frame it as 'the authorities' pandering to 'the Muslims', leaving 'white people as second class citizens in their own country'?

If you can't see that, there is no helping you.

I used to like JP, and thought she truly cared about victims.

But I’m beginning to feel like she just wants to be seen as someone who cares about VAWG, but when push comes to shove she’s just the same as the rest.

I saw an interview, think it was GMB, with a women named Jade who was less than impressed with her.

The thing that stuck out to me was she said JP was ‘smirking’ at her, which is how she comes to me now.

That passive aggressive, ‘You’re too stupid to know what’s good for you’ attitude.

While Jess Philips might care about victims, unfortunately it’s just not as much as she cares about Jess Philips.

Ethnic affinity? What is he trying to say, these people collaborate with one another because they share a common heritage/religion? Isn’t that a bit racist to suggest? It’s like when people claim that grooming gangs were targeting young girls because they were white, trying to add an extra dynamic to the equation in order to stir up tensions between communities. I don’t like where that is going…

If you listen to Jess Philips equivocating and dodging in the HoC the other day it’s all the more despicable.

@Swiftasthewind

I suggest you read this:

https://x.com/ellieannre71927/status/1980293976365437203?s=46&t=ALGAiHxwK3XXeRoDQylnWA

In particular:

’ The final turning point for me was the push to change the remit, to widen it in ways that downplay the racial and religious motivations behind our abuse. For many of us, these were not incidental factors, they were central to why we were targeted and why institutions failed to act. To erase that truth is to rewrite history’

Ethnic affinity? What is he trying to say, these people collaborate with one another because they share a common heritage/religion? Isn’t that a bit racist to suggest? It’s like when people claim that grooming gangs were targeting young girls because they were white, trying to add an extra dynamic to the equation in order to stir up tensions between communities. I don’t like where that is going…