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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 2025-10-24T19:42:52+00:00

Oops I've just realized this is an old article, it's probably been linked to. Here's a link to an interesting podcast - (40 mins long though) [[https://quillette.com/2025/10/07/podcast-305-managing-the-growing-gender-critical-counterrevolution/ Podcast #305: Managing the Growing Gender-Critical Counterrevolution]] Quillette podcast host Jonathan Kay talks with Canadian Genspect director Mia Hughes about the emerging ‘gender glasnost’—and the best way to continue rolling back the excesses of trans activism. ^"Hughes argues that the real problem came when WPATH decided to “de-psychopathologise” gender dysphoria about fifteen years ago—which is to say, WPATH decided that gender dysphoria wasn’t really an affliction at all, but rather a kind of gateway into a new form of human existence. As a result, Hughes argues, being trans became trendy; and troubled youth became convinced that transition represented the solution to problems that were actually rooted in trauma, depression, autism, and other co-morbid conditions.^ ^Provocatively, Hughes told the crowd in Albuquerque that we need to re-psychopatholigise the urge to transition—a choice of words that I worry may go too far. As you’ll hear, I argue that we need to use language that allows the people who became swept up in gender ideology to return to a common-sense approach, and that the kind of harsh language she uses may not be useful for that project."^

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/10/2025 07:27

EuclidianGeometryFan · 26/10/2025 06:46

@TheywontletmehavethenameIwant @GallantKumquat

Thanks.
I was confused because it wasn't clear to me which side was being called the revolution and which side was the counter-revolution.
From some perspectives it could be argued that acceptance of 'transitioning' and gender identities is the 'normal' pre-revolutionary state, therefore the women's rights or gender critical movement is the revolution, and the current TRA backlash is the counter-revolution.

If 'trans' was the revolution and 'gender critical' the counter-revolution, that makes the TRA backlash the counter-counter-revolution.

I'm not sure talk of revolution and counter is a helpful framework.

It's not a video it's a podcast. myself I liked to listen to podcasts when I'm cooking or cleaning, but I listen on my phone not my PC.

Quillette is based in Tranada, it has been one of the few places that still has free speech, the interviewer on this one is Jonathan Kay, who tends to like the sound of his own voice, and does most of the talking and has turned into something of an apologises for the GI'ders since the tide turned.

People who disagree with the views have finally been aloud to speak, which is what he is calling the 'Gender Critical Revolution', the person he's interviewing (or scolding, depending on your view), Mia Hughes, doesn't.

I thought Mia won the argument, she knew what she was talking about, he didn't.

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 26/10/2025 06:46

@TheywontletmehavethenameIwant @GallantKumquat

Thanks.
I was confused because it wasn't clear to me which side was being called the revolution and which side was the counter-revolution.
From some perspectives it could be argued that acceptance of 'transitioning' and gender identities is the 'normal' pre-revolutionary state, therefore the women's rights or gender critical movement is the revolution, and the current TRA backlash is the counter-revolution.

If 'trans' was the revolution and 'gender critical' the counter-revolution, that makes the TRA backlash the counter-counter-revolution.

I'm not sure talk of revolution and counter is a helpful framework.

DeanElderberry · 26/10/2025 06:25

In the words of a clinician

Gender dysphoria is a lie

x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755

GallantKumquat · 25/10/2025 20:44

EuclidianGeometryFan · 25/10/2025 20:04

No I wasn't being rhetorical.

By definition, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. That is implicit in the meaning of the words. BUT that doesn't mean it necessarily exists. The history of psychiatry has many diagnoses and illnesses that were later abandoned as they didn't actually exist.

This is a semantic discussion - if an illness is "de-pathologised" surely that means it is no longer an illness, so the old words used to describe it are now obsolete.
Basically, either gender dysphoria exists and is an illness, or it doesn't exist and the term is obsolete.

But the more interesting question is how many trans people actually suffer from this thing called "gender dysphoria" (whether or not it is an illness), and how many don't, i.e. they have other motivations / causes.

Apologies for not watching the video, but please explain what is the 'gender critical counter revolution'?

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No I wasn't being rhetorical.

By definition, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. That is implicit in the meaning of the words. BUT that doesn't mean it necessarily exists. The history of psychiatry has many diagnoses and illnesses that were later abandoned as they didn't actually exist.

Well, it is contentious. I agree it shouldn't be. Since this gets to the heart of gender ideology are won't try to reproduce the lengthy arguments for and against.

Apologies for not watching the video, but please explain what is the 'gender critical counter revolution'?

The counter revolution consists of two main parts 1) it's actually possible to speak frankly about transgender issues in main stream media and in social media, a couple of year ago the trans issues were highly censored, 2) there is now a general consensus that transwomen are not women in all respects (and transmen and men, respectively) and that is now increasingly reflected in law.

Oversimplifying - the question now is how can the concept of 'trans' be put on a firm, scientific gender critical basis that consolidates those gains (i.e. agp, social contagion, internalized homophobia), and the discipline of psychology be reformed to treat trans identification appropriately.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 25/10/2025 20:04

GallantKumquat · 25/10/2025 19:14

I'm assuming you're being rhetorical, because in fact it's highly contentious. Arguably, the reason it hasn't already been explicitly depathologized in the DSM/ICD-10 is that it would make it much more difficult for trans people to seek NHS/insurance coverage of gender medical treatment.

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No I wasn't being rhetorical.

By definition, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. That is implicit in the meaning of the words. BUT that doesn't mean it necessarily exists. The history of psychiatry has many diagnoses and illnesses that were later abandoned as they didn't actually exist.

This is a semantic discussion - if an illness is "de-pathologised" surely that means it is no longer an illness, so the old words used to describe it are now obsolete.
Basically, either gender dysphoria exists and is an illness, or it doesn't exist and the term is obsolete.

But the more interesting question is how many trans people actually suffer from this thing called "gender dysphoria" (whether or not it is an illness), and how many don't, i.e. they have other motivations / causes.

Apologies for not watching the video, but please explain what is the 'gender critical counter revolution'?

GallantKumquat · 25/10/2025 19:14

EuclidianGeometryFan · 25/10/2025 17:12

I have no inclination to watch the video at 40 mins long, but there surely is no question of whether gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It is in the name: "dysphoria", a medical word.

What is more debatable is how many trans people actually suffer from this, and how many don't.

What is the 'gender critical counter revolution'?

I'm assuming you're being rhetorical, because in fact it's highly contentious. Arguably, the reason it hasn't already been explicitly depathologized in the DSM/ICD-10 is that it would make it much more difficult for trans people to seek NHS/insurance coverage of gender medical treatment.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 25/10/2025 17:12

I have no inclination to watch the video at 40 mins long, but there surely is no question of whether gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It is in the name: "dysphoria", a medical word.

What is more debatable is how many trans people actually suffer from this, and how many don't.

What is the 'gender critical counter revolution'?