Livestream debate with Mia Hughes and Morgane Oger

I'm laughing so hard at "the colonising self importance of the British" and "cultural superiority"

What if those of us who aren't British and don't have any cultural superiority in our heritage also think men aren't women? Hmmm....

It's not misogynistic to define the category of woman by their biology, just as it's not misandrist to define the category of man by their biology. Women are born with ovaries/uteruses, etc, men are born with penises and testicles, etc.

In a very small number of cases, you'll get people who are born with disorders that make them intersex, but that doesn't mean that humans are not a sexually dimorphic, sexually binary species - any more than people being born with limb differences or absences chances the fact we're a bipedal species with two arms, two legs, 10 fingers, and so on.

When I think, "What makes me a woman?", I literally can't answer it without resorting to biology. It's not how I dress, my hobbies or interests, or "a feeling". They make up what I am as a person, alongside my biology.

I'm a woman because I was born female, which brings with it expectations and problems that society has enforced on women over history.

And women when deciding who they identify as.

The aggressive and reality-denying version of trans activism is very recent.

"Sex is purely about gametes. How else do you tell your male cannabis plant from your female one? Are you suggesting it is about long hair and clothing? Good thing even Canadian farmers know that to be nonsense."

Definitions are based on social usage. Whilst it's true we use gametes to distinguish sex, it's also true we don't in social interactions.

"As for colonialism - gender ideology is American colonialism. There have been huge amounts of money invested by Americans such as the Pritzker family on imposing their ideology in other countries including the Uk. The UK have fought back"

You forgot George Soros & the other alleged 'Jewish investors' in 'white sterilisation' /'white replacement theory' as per Magadalen Berns.

Back to reality. Trans people & their fight for human rights aren't exactly exclusive to the US nor are they a recent 'invention'.

TRAs who declare that sex is just a vague esssnce are unerringly able to identify men when deciding who to support.

Sex is purely about gametes. How else do you tell your male cannabis plant from your female one? Are you suggesting it is about long hair and clothing? Good thing even Canadian farmers know that to be nonsense.

As for colonialism - gender ideology is American colonialism. There have been huge amounts of money invested by Americans such as the Pritzker family on imposing their ideology in other countries including the Uk. The UK have fought back,

Of course. But that doesn't change the fact that most times we don't. 'Sex' in essence is about distinctive characteristics between males & females which include but are not limited by reproductive characteristics.

rarely

There are times when we do. To put it another way, sometimes sex matters.

It's 6.30 pm Sydney time. Shouldn't you?

Social distinctions are material reality. We rarely distinguish men from women using gametal evaluations in our everyday social interactions, rather surface level typical associations.

Mia is amazing. Like the posters on this thread, I'm always impressed by how women will engage with a confused and provocative man, when they turn up spouting utter nonsense.

Do you keep a list of words that you want to squeeze into your posts by your laptop? You sound like someone who has too much time on your hands. Shouldn’t you be going to work at this time of the day?

Mia’s face is brilliant. Having to sit through his nonsense is a hell of an achievement.

A legal fiction doesn't override material reality, dude.

Only if you view sex over simplistically as body parts which countries like Canada have long put behind them as a consequence of feminism.

While you might believe them to be men is simply an opinion so your 'misogyny' claims don't necessarily apply outside your own jurisdiction.

they are men whatever the law in Canada says. Morgane will still need his prostate checked and he's never going to need a cervical smear. He understands that as much as anyone else

Even in his opening few paragraphs Oger is going straight for pure emotional manipulation. He positioned discussion and campaigning that disagreed with his view as ‘moral panic’. He, as we have seen so many times before, falsely compared that discussion with previous campaigns based on illegitimate discrimination and with a ridiculous comparison about Dungeons and Dragons.

I think he set the scene very well on just how little people can trust what he says. Particularly when he then uses the placating falsity that evidence supporting medicalisation has been published.

Of course it won't to you. It's built into the colonial mind to be in denial of the consequences of their actions.

You aren't listening. Trans women are considered as women under the law in Canada & many other countries as Morgane explained was by decades of legislative progress. While you might believe them to be men is simply an opinion so your 'misogyny' claims don't necessarily apply outside your own jurisdiction.

The arrogance of your attempted imposition of cultural superiority is breathtaking …but certainly not surprising.

I'm sure that made sense in your head dear boy

Morgane with his campaign against a rape crisis centre for women contributed massively to the world wide exposure of the misogyny at the heart of transactivism. Along with exposing the male self centred narcissism & desire for domination and control of women. Unable to let women have anything woman centred.

He, along with all the other men incapable of allowing women autonomy, have been of great assistance to terfery.

Ahhh the colonising self importance of the British never fails. Pity they can't keep up with the rest of the free world. Moral panics will do that…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_penicillin

ah Howse you're back, get bored on Reddit did you?

and honestly lovey you've jumped the shark with this one. Morganes been putting himself out there for years as a TRA. He would find it very sad times indeed that you're not aware of his stirling efforts. I mean call yourself a trans supporter Howse and you don't know that he managed to get a rape crisis centres funding cancelled?? Sad times indeed!

and if you genuinely think Morgane's is a woman then you'd better go to spec savers