Met Police will no longer investigate Non Crime Hate Incidents

Well,

if we switch out the name Isla Bryson for Michelle Ageyemang and switch out 'man' for a despicable 'm' word

I would want the actions you mentioned to be taken

It's Non Crime Hate Incidents that are being discussed so not any actual crime.

Let's say I overheard you call Isla Bryson a man and I think that's hateful transphobic speech so I report you to the police for a NCHI. Let's assume I know who you are so am able to give the police your details. The police don't tell you anyone has made a complaint but record the NCHI.

You apply for a new job with an enhanced DBS which shows the NCHI and as a consequence you don't get the job. You might not know why so may still be unaware that there is a NCHI recorded.

Is that fair?

It's never been illegal to be a dick. The consequences for this behaviour have always been societal not criminal. It's not illegal to call women sluts either (or TERFS). Are you equally upset about that? Or has the fact that society doesn't condemn slurs against women in the same way as it does racist or homophobic slurs made you less offended by that?

@spannasaurus i'm not trying to be dense, I promise you all

So its okay now to make hate comments re protected characteristics- ie calling a black footballer the n word, the facial characteristics of someone from east Asia?? There will be no consequence??

You still get it on a record they just don’t spend time investigating?

what exactly do you want to happen to people who haven’t committed crimes

@spannasaurus i'm not trying to be dense, I promise you all

So its okay now to make hate comments re protected characteristics- ie calling a black footballer the n word, the facial characteristics of someone from east Asia?? There will be no consequence??

So... if someone is racist but non violent, nothing will come of it???

How is this cause for celebration?

But how will the police know there has been a NCHI to record if they don’t investigate it? Will they just record all the reports without engaging any kind of test?🧐

Too much to hope they'll drop the one against Helen Joyce

You can still have non crime incidents recorded against you, they will still be shown in DBS checks, and you will not know they are there.

The only change is, they won’t spend time investigating them. So I can accuse Jo Bloggs of a hate incident and he will potentially fail DBS stuff on my say so, while unaware.

Hate Crimes are still investigated, it’s the ‘not a crime’ nastiness which is very subjective and has no structure around it, which will no longer be investigated BUT will still be recorded against people.

So trouble makers can harass others by making reports against them without their awareness.

You still get it on a record they just don’t spend time investigating?

It's not actually illegal to be racist - or sexist, misogynist, homophobic or transphobic. It's illegal to beat up, rape or kill people and a "hate crime" is to do any of these things BECAUSE of someone's protected characteristic. (Well except if it's because they're a woman of course)
NCHIs are about policing people's thoughts and beliefs. It's not ok to do this. Especially without even telling them.

This is great, well done to them.

Bit I am confused on Glinner isn’t he in court for something else? NCHI don’t go to court do they?

That hasn't actually changed. The Met have only said they will no longer do follow up investigations.

I heard this on R4 PM too.

I was at the Battle of Ideas festival at the weekend and went to the 2 tier policing session.

A couple of people called for an end to Non Crime Hate Icidents. Sarah Phillimore was on the panel and said that we don't need to worry about them anymore because challenges by Fair Cop etc meant that they were a dead duck.

She said that there were other, bigger problems, to worry about like people having actual crimes recorded against them without them necessarily knowing. It has happened to a couple of people already. If I remember correctly, Helen Joyce is one.
I think Sarah Phillimore was live tweeting but I don't have a link to her Twitter thread.

It's not actually illegal to be racist - or sexist, misogynist, homophobic or transphobic. It's illegal to beat up, rape or kill people and a "hate crime" is to do any of these things BECAUSE of someone's protected characteristic. (Well except if it's because they're a woman of course)
NCHIs are about policing people's thoughts and beliefs. It's not ok to do this. Especially without even telling them.

No, if someone commits an actual crime it will be investigated.

If someone hasn't committed a crime it won't be investigated.

Previously someone could report you for non criminal acts and you could have a NCHI recorded on your records without you even being informed about it

From Free Speech Union

Great news that the @metpoliceuk will no longer investigate non-crime hate incidents -- a direct result of our successful campaign to get the Met to drop its investigation of @glinner, which it has now done.

This is a tremendous victory, but the war is not yet over. We now have to make sure all the other police forces in the UK follow in the Met's footsteps and they all now stop recording NCHIs, including the Met, in a way that means they can show up in enhanced DBS checks and prevent you from getting a job as a teacher or a carer. No one should be prevented from getting a job because they've committed a 'non-crime'.

Nevertheless, this is an important step on the road to scrapping NCHIs altogether, something our director, Lord Young of Acton, called for in the House of Lords last Thursday. He has proposed an amendment to the Crime and Policing Bill, co-sponsored by Lord Hogan-Howe, a former Metropolitan Police Commissioner, to abolish NCHIs.

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