Met Police will no longer investigate Non Crime Hate Incidents

Depends on what you mean by "being racist." Discrimination - i.e. Not hiring someone for a job bc of the color of their skin even if they are the most qualified candidate - is still illegal I believe. But do remember that goes for judging ANYONE based on the color of their skin as that is the definition of racism.

But sharing a personal opinion, or someone interpretering (or misinterpreting) a non-criminal, non-violence, otherwise perfectly legal (albeit possibly offensive) action , the police will no longer get involved. And this is as it should be.

But don't worry you're still free to try and cancel people using bluesy and reddit all you like.

This doesn't seem to be an improvement at all. Or indeed a change.

If something is not a crime, the police have absolutely no business recording it.

Are there not data protection issues here, surely to fuck?

So they can still show up on a police check and potentially affect people's lives.

Fuck that. They need scrapped absolutely and entirely, and the idea of them needs to be expunged from the statute so they can never be countenance again.

No.

All this means is that you're even less likely to discover if you have one on your police record until you find out you have failed a DBS check or perhaps have trouble travelling or moving abroad. Sinister.

Good perhaps rather than harassing people for stating biological facts they might think about actually doing what we pay them for

We've got historical precedents for this kind of thing. Studies of Gestapo records show that the majority of informers weren't informing on enemies of the regime, they were informing on their annoying neighbours.

The NCHI system provides massive incentives for lazy coppers and malicious complainants, and on that basis alone it should be scrapped.

It’s really bad, sinister logging stuff.

I think this is probably a human rights issue, now I come to think of it.

Surely it is a clear breach of the right to a fair trial.

There should be no information on a DBS certificate that the person concerned is not aware of themselves.

I agree. How can they exist on a persons record and potentially affect their job status etc without them being aware of it. The police resources will be spend on FOIA applications if no-one in the population knows if a record exists against their name

That is not how NCHIs work. Which is the point people are making.

OK so what if someone who just doesn't like you tells the police that you're a racist fuck, and they record a NCHI against your name and you have absolutely no idea they have done this and no opportunity to defend yourself, you just never get another job that requires an enhanced DBS check?

I think it was a misstep of FSU to call this a victory, it doesn't seem like it's going to make much difference to what's recorded.

The coppers won't be calling to anyone's houses and inviting them down to the station for a chat, or arresting anyone at gun point in Heathrow Airport, but it seems to me they just ditching practices that have led to them being ridiculed.

They're not actually changing anything for the people who are being accused of Non Crimes, they making sure they don't bring any public attention down on themselves because of it.

Sex isn't a protected characteristic for hate crime purposes

Hoorah! Waste of time.

It absolutely should be. It's a public order offence surely? And a hate crime on the protected characteristic of sex

It so disgusting that records are made against individuals and show on DBS checks without investigation , trial or even notifying the person that it’s been recorded. I simply don’t understand how this can be lawful.

if police want to make an anonymised record of alleged incidents to help with pattern spotting that’s up to them, but as the process currently stands it is being grossly abused and is not due for purpose

Thank you for this response, its helpful to read

This approach to NCHIs seems to be how the Police treat low level intelligence generally. If someone calls them up, tells an officer on the street, etc. it gets noted down for the local intelligence officer and filed. It only gets looked at if something related happens or if an anticipated problem causes officers to see what we know on such and such. Unless the reporter is known to the police and has a history of providing high quality intelligence, all such reports are treated as unproved allegations and potentially vexatious. It’s only in aggregate that they might be considered to have any weight, and even then it’s just suspicion. It wouldn’t be considered “true” until it was corborated. If there was a murder of a trans person then any NCHIs they’d submitted would be looked at. But so would negative messages they’d received in RL or virtually, and anyone they or someone close to them had identified as potentially having a bone to pick with them.

I think there are some hard questions the police need asking if a single uncorroborated report that might isn’t even hateful if a rational person looks at the facts, like this goes into a DBS report, which I’ve not heard to be the case, but otherwise I don’t think it would be reasonable stop the police from collecting intelligence in this manner. Satisfying TRA’s persecution complex isn’t the main use of NCHIs. The police need holding to account more for their biased policing - and that matter whether they record NCHIs or not.

I think we're trying to make cat calling a crime though? Its impact on young women is disgusting

I’m confused why you’re confused?

This is not changing the thresholds of criminality.

i.e. It does not mean that hate crimes are no longer being investigated, and I’m not sure how you’ve got to the conclusion it does mean that?

It means Non-crime hate incidents are no longer being investigated.

Things that do not meet the definition of a crime.

Things the police should have no business getting involved with in the first place.

Do you think police should be spending time and resources investigating people’s hurt feelings?

Spending time investigating matters they know are not illegal?

Logging them on your file, and you have no knowledge and no recourse to defend yourself?

It then showing up on a DBS check and harming your employment prospects.
And the whole time, you have no idea a black mark has been put against your name?

You really think that’s fair enough?

Currently you dont have to actually have done it. Just be accused of it. Or the person accusing you just needs to think that you were racist even if you weren't. Its a ridiculous system.

Exactly.
This isn’t a win in any way shape or form imo.

It’s worse, it will probably just blindly be logged now. (Which, Tbf, is probably what they were doing anyway)

They were already doing that.