Glimmer: do you think this is acceptable?

There are issue with cross NHS department working - I'm aware of one with someone with an eating disorder.

Children and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) can be reluctant to take on low mood cases with other complex mental health diagnosis be that eating disorders, gender etc. They feel they don't have the expertise.

Not to go into too much detail here but behind suicidal thoughts are often a mistaken beliefs someone's problems are intractable and unsolvable. Here exacerbated by pro suicide websites which are really, really dangerous.

Unfortunately then the gender services often see the "solution" to be transitioning without considering other comorbidities.

I also feel some of the doom mongering falsehoods I see on trans websites dangerous i.e. that "we" want to eradicate trans / trans have no future in this country etc.

Which is probably one reason why coroner cited long wait times specifically rather than gender distress.

All in all the NHS needs to do better. Mental health services are not fit for purpose.

There are issue with cross NHS department working - I'm aware of one with someone with an eating disorder.

Children and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) can be reluctant to take on low mood cases with other complex mental health diagnosis be that eating disorders, gender etc. They feel they don't have the expertise.

Not to go into too much detail here but behind suicidal thoughts are often a mistaken beliefs someone's problems are intractable and unsolvable. Here exacerbated by pro suicide websites which are really, really dangerous.

Unfortunately then the gender services often see the "solution" to be transitioning without considering other comorbidities.

I also feel some of the doom mongering falsehoods I see on trans websites dangerous i.e. that "we" want to eradicate trans / trans have no future in this country etc.

Which is probably one reason why coroner cited long wait times specifically rather than gender distress.

All in all the NHS needs to do better. Mental health services are not fit for purpose.

Tens of thousands of children have been given puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgeries. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these tens of thousands of children would have otherwise committed suicide. It’s a lie.

And millions of children have been given mental health drugs. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these millions of children would have otherwise committed suicide.

See where this bogus logic goes?

"Yet there is no data to back up this claim, in fact there’s the opposite."

Social acceptability is a broadly accepted suicide risk for the general population Are you seriously suggesting trans people are socially broadly acceptable? Hate crime rates would beg to differ.

"Yes. I hear someone who won’t take the good news that children don’t kill themselves and instead wants to twist it into a requirement to sterilise children.
That you’re willing to crank up a fake suicide risk to suit your narrative at the expense of unnecessarily medicalising children is very telling."

A consensus of medical experts globally disagree.

Are you even a parent?

How would you feel if it had been your child who was discussed in such an egregious fashion just to score political points?

Or is heinous political point scoring over the death of children excused when they don't meet your standards of acceptability?

https://archive.is/xqh4F

Coroner's report.

This sounds a tragic case, poor child. There certainly needs to be better help for children with depressive illnesses and possible mental health conditions.

'Leia reported intermittent low mood in 2024 which may have been a sign of a more serious underlying depressive illness and gender dysphoria which itself can contribute to low mood and be a symptom of a more serious mental health condition. '

It's unclear why the GP didn't investigate further or treat Leia's possible depressive illness and possible mental health condition.

This could be a sign of a grave issue which has been warned about repeatedly - comorbidities are often overlooked by children who are identifying as having gender dysphoria.

Does GIDS treat depressive illness?

It's in quotation marks.

He's paraphrasing the Prick News article.

The offensive material is contained within the Prick News article.

Assuming this is in reply to my post, no, that’s not what I mean, and it’s also not what the article says or implies.

Accessing specialist gender services can help young people navigate their mental health and figure out, with help, what’s best for them. Pink News reports that the coroner concluded the delay in accessing specialist treatment services contributed to their death, and that reducing wait times would be a positive step in response.

There’s nothing I can see in that article promoting or encouraging sterilisation. If you genuinely think there is, quote it here rather than inventing things.

It's in quotation marks.

He's paraphrasing the Prick News article.

The offensive material is contained within the Prick News article.

By ‘specialist treatment’ do you affirmation? Because affirmation is not treatment. Affirmation leads to irreversible harms such as sterilisation, destruction of sexual function, prevention of mental maturation, and makes it extremely hard for the person to come to terms with reality.

This boy was failed by the lack of proper, good-quality, compassionate, mental health care.

Are you even a parent?

How would you feel if it had been your child who was discussed in such an egregious fashion just to score political points?

Or is heinous political point scoring over the death of children excused when they don't meet your standards of acceptability?

it's stark, and I think his point is solid, but no, I don't think it was a great idea to post it.

Although arguably, it's not a conversation with his parents or in his community, it's part of an online discourse, and maybe that is the place for some stark statements.

• World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH): This is a leading authority that publishes the Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender-Diverse People, which provides evidence-based guidance for gender-affirming care and is cited by many international medical experts, notes Taylor & Francis Online.
• American Academy of Pediatrics and Endocrine Society: These organizations have guidelines or policies supporting early medical treatment for gender dysphoria in young people.
• National Health Bodies: Countries like Australia, New Zealand, and Finland have developed national clinical guidelines that explicitly support gender-affirming care, according to Equality Australia and BMC Medical Ethics.
• Professional Associations: Organizations such as the Professional Association for Transgender Health Aotearoa (PATHA) and LGBTIQ+ Health Australia (LHA) advocate for gender-affirming care as a life-saving and life-affirming treatment, as mentioned in Equality Australia and Equality Australia.
• Individual Experts: Many individual medical professionals, including pediatricians, endocrinologists, and surgeons, contribute to research and practice guidelines that support gender-affirming care, as seen in resources from the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

Prick News are implying that the boy would not have committed suicide had the NHS been in more of a hurry to emasculate him.

Glinner is right to point that out. You may not like the language or the style he has chosen to use. You don’t have to. But sometimes the truth is harsh, no matter how you state it.

Prick News are implying that the boy would not have committed suicide had the NHS been in more of a hurry to emasculate him.

Glinner is right to point that out. You may not like the language or the style he has chosen to use. You don’t have to. But sometimes the truth is harsh, no matter how you state it.

That would be mental health support, not mutilating surgery and deception.

The disgrace is double: that this young person did not receive the mental health treatment that they so clearly needed, and that Prick News use this tragedy to promote harming distressed individuals.

Tell us why you believe you're qualified to know better? A degree in 'facebook' research?

The systematic review you’ve linked doesn't say what you think it does. One thing that stands out is the following:
However, there is high subjectivity in the assessment of regret and lack of standardized questionnaires, which highlight the importance of developing validated questionnaires in this population
Study Selection. A total of 74 articles were identified in the search, and 2 additional records were identified through other sources. After the first-step screening process, 39 articles were relevant based on the information provided in their titles and abstracts. After the second-step process, a total of 27 articles were included in the systematic review and metanalysis (Fig. 1).
Quality Assessment. Based on the NIH quality assessment tool, the majority of article ranged between “poor” and “fair” categories

It sounds similar to the findings of the Cass report: there were very few clinical reviews / follow ups of good quality to show that drug / surgical interventions reduced suicidal ideations or indicate the true picture of regret.

Oh dear, quoting WPATH et al has exposed you for the TRA you are. Tell us why you believe it to be ok to castrate young males?

• World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH): This is a leading authority that publishes the Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender-Diverse People, which provides evidence-based guidance for gender-affirming care and is cited by many international medical experts, notes Taylor & Francis Online.
• American Academy of Pediatrics and Endocrine Society: These organizations have guidelines or policies supporting early medical treatment for gender dysphoria in young people.
• National Health Bodies: Countries like Australia, New Zealand, and Finland have developed national clinical guidelines that explicitly support gender-affirming care, according to Equality Australia and BMC Medical Ethics.
• Professional Associations: Organizations such as the Professional Association for Transgender Health Aotearoa (PATHA) and LGBTIQ+ Health Australia (LHA) advocate for gender-affirming care as a life-saving and life-affirming treatment, as mentioned in Equality Australia and Equality Australia.
• Individual Experts: Many individual medical professionals, including pediatricians, endocrinologists, and surgeons, contribute to research and practice guidelines that support gender-affirming care, as seen in resources from the National Institutes of Health (NIH).