Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Celebrity Traitors

157 replies

hholiday · 08/10/2025 07:17

Apparently features Stephen Fry, which seems absolutely the right thing, given how he has already betrayed women/ gay/ lesbian rights.

Also Tom Daley - similar. Which other celebrities should go in there on these grounds? Gary Lineker? David Tennant?

Much though I love Claudia, I think the women’s rights version should be hosted by JK. And be Harry Potter themed.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
5
worrisomeasset · 09/10/2025 10:30

To be fair, Wossie has dipped his toe into the controversy and has been GC. Sadly, he made such a big blunder in the first episode that he’ll probably be quickly identified as a traitor.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2025 09:28

Justme56 · 09/10/2025 05:59

You see here is what I don’t get so I’ll give you a scenario ‘Meet John’.

John is a man, some may refer to him as a cis man. He could be your friend, family, neighbour. You like John. One day John walks into the women’s toilets/changing rooms. The women feel embarrassed, maybe threatened. John knows he shouldn’t be there so leaves.

A few weeks later you meet John. John tells you he is now transitioning and now wants to be known as Joanne. He’s struggled with this for sometime and wants to be his/her authentic self. From now on John/Joanne will be using the women’s changing rooms/toilets.

John/Joanne is still the same person, but in one scenario it’s wrong, but in the second it’s okay. What has happened in those few weeks other than the person saying they are trans.

Show quote history

John is Pete’s brother, he’s a plasterer 😂

Original poster
hholiday · 09/10/2025 07:07

Waitwhat23 · 08/10/2025 20:31

Anyway, back to the OP!

To be honest, there could be an all Scottish version!

Nicola Sturgeon
Iona Fyfe
Alan Cumming
David Tennant

List goes on...

I think you’re right!

OP posts:
Original poster
hholiday · 09/10/2025 07:05

LEWWSH · 08/10/2025 20:35

Pretty sure statistically women are more at risk from straight, cis gender men than anyone trans. Very odd post. As this is a Mumsnet site, I really really hope that none of these parents who are transphobic through bigotry or ignorance have a child who comes out as trans. They’ll be in for a rough ride! 😢

Women are at risk from men full stop – it doesn’t matter how they identify. Proportionally, there are more people in prison who identify as trans who have been convicted of sex crimes than the cis white men you reference (although there are obviously far more of the latter in prison). Here is a reference if you want to read more about it: https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

And a lot of women on this board have been or are in precisely the situation you reference. That is why a lot women are here – because they care about other women and children. I think you need to ask yourself whether the men behind the demonisation of feminism also have those good intentions.

Transgender women criminality shows male pattern | Fair Play For Women

Transgender women in prison exhibit a male-type pattern of criminality, new data confirms. Crimes match birth sex not gender identity. So....

https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

OP posts:
Original poster
hholiday · 09/10/2025 06:54

intrepidgiraffe · 08/10/2025 22:38

I know this is your little corner of Mumsnet and we should just leave you all to it, but since this comes up in the active section (ie we don’t actively seek you out) you should expect some of the criticism you’ve received here. It is just so strange to me that literally every single thing is viewed through your ‘gender critical’ lens. There’s lots of things I care about too, but I’m not obsessed with them in the same way. Baffling.

I’m not obsessed. But I view the world with feminist eyes because I am a woman. So it defines the way I see things. And I care about other women and girls and don’t want them to get hurt. I find it strange when people – particularly other women – don’t view the world through this lens.

OP posts:
Original poster
hholiday · 09/10/2025 06:52

DahnFrumLunden · 09/10/2025 06:16

Traitors? Read a lot of the Daily Mail, do you?

Show quote history

You don’t have to read the Mail to educate yourself about Fry’s thoughts on women, child abuse and lesbians. There’s a round-up here on The Critic - you agree with every one of his points, do you? https://thecritic.co.uk/the-cowardice-of-sir-stephen-fry/

And an old article in The Guardian about his views on women and sex: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

Just because someone (particularly a man) has a lovely, cosy TV persona doesn’t mean all his views are lovely and cosy too. I stand by my point – Fry and other very privileged celebrities have betrayed women.

Stephen Fry shocks feminists by claiming women don't really like sex

Women are just as capable as men of enjoying sex and remarks are 'kind of rubbish', says feminist writer Rosie Boycott

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

OP posts:
DahnFrumLunden · 09/10/2025 06:16

hholiday · 08/10/2025 07:17

Apparently features Stephen Fry, which seems absolutely the right thing, given how he has already betrayed women/ gay/ lesbian rights.

Also Tom Daley - similar. Which other celebrities should go in there on these grounds? Gary Lineker? David Tennant?

Much though I love Claudia, I think the women’s rights version should be hosted by JK. And be Harry Potter themed.

Traitors? Read a lot of the Daily Mail, do you?

Justme56 · 09/10/2025 05:59

LEWWSH · 08/10/2025 20:35

Pretty sure statistically women are more at risk from straight, cis gender men than anyone trans. Very odd post. As this is a Mumsnet site, I really really hope that none of these parents who are transphobic through bigotry or ignorance have a child who comes out as trans. They’ll be in for a rough ride! 😢

You see here is what I don’t get so I’ll give you a scenario ‘Meet John’.

John is a man, some may refer to him as a cis man. He could be your friend, family, neighbour. You like John. One day John walks into the women’s toilets/changing rooms. The women feel embarrassed, maybe threatened. John knows he shouldn’t be there so leaves.

A few weeks later you meet John. John tells you he is now transitioning and now wants to be known as Joanne. He’s struggled with this for sometime and wants to be his/her authentic self. From now on John/Joanne will be using the women’s changing rooms/toilets.

John/Joanne is still the same person, but in one scenario it’s wrong, but in the second it’s okay. What has happened in those few weeks other than the person saying they are trans.

Weneedmoreheretics · 09/10/2025 05:06

Look at % of trans identifying men in prison for sex offences, highly disproportionate, that’s proof.

Shedmistress · 09/10/2025 05:00

God forbid women take a popular culture event and map it across to reality. Oh the drama with added froth.

Yawhat · 09/10/2025 03:21

Support act for Gargoyles of Beelzebub

😎

NoBinturongsHereMate · 09/10/2025 01:09

Cesspit of Hate is tremendous band name, but I can't decide whether it's better suited to punk or death metal. Punk metal, perhaps. Does that exist?

Greyskybluesky · 09/10/2025 00:11

Yourmumhastwocats · 09/10/2025 00:05

Not at all. I've just been commenting on my love of raw onions and my lack of kitchen gadgets. I popped on here to add David Tennant to the list but as someone's already mentioned him I suppose I'll have to go back to thinking about how I can get a transphobic angle into my love of raw onions sandwiches and lack of kitchen gadgets.

Show quote history

Just raw onions? What kind of bread? Any condiments? Much more detail required.

Oh and onions are transphobic BTW

Yourmumhastwocats · 09/10/2025 00:05

Jallypally · 08/10/2025 14:04

This site is just a cesspool of transphobes, isn’t it?

Not at all. I've just been commenting on my love of raw onions and my lack of kitchen gadgets. I popped on here to add David Tennant to the list but as someone's already mentioned him I suppose I'll have to go back to thinking about how I can get a transphobic angle into my love of raw onions sandwiches and lack of kitchen gadgets.

Greyskybluesky · 09/10/2025 00:05

Grumblers bump the thread up Active

Cheers!

ninjahamster · 08/10/2025 23:56

Jallypally · 08/10/2025 14:04

This site is just a cesspool of transphobes, isn’t it?

So true.

Greyskybluesky · 08/10/2025 23:55

Waitwhat23 · 08/10/2025 21:45

Ooh, I see the current ploppers cheat sheet is assiduously being used -

2 uses of cesspit so far
1 use of frothing
1 Examine yourself

Shall we take bets on the rest of it?

"obsessed" !!

BettyBooper · 08/10/2025 23:43

intrepidgiraffe · 08/10/2025 22:38

I know this is your little corner of Mumsnet and we should just leave you all to it, but since this comes up in the active section (ie we don’t actively seek you out) you should expect some of the criticism you’ve received here. It is just so strange to me that literally every single thing is viewed through your ‘gender critical’ lens. There’s lots of things I care about too, but I’m not obsessed with them in the same way. Baffling.

Every single thing is.... About what the board about.

Again go tell this to the cat litter board.

Baffling.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2025 23:40

ArabellaSaurus · 08/10/2025 22:45

Is it a Cispit or a Cispool?

Does anyone remember Millwall FC cancelled a women's rights meeting years back, cause they couldn't handle the flack?

😂

Yes, the refrain was that Mumsnet have more balls than Millwall 😂

Pudmyboy · 08/10/2025 23:17

BettyBooper · 08/10/2025 19:07

Drunk the kool-aid?

Er, no. People here tend to believe that humans cannot change sex.
Which is factually correct. Because they can't.
(And everyone knew this until 5 minutes ago).

It is not people on here who have 'drunk the kool-aid'....

Show quote history

I thought jellypally was trying a 'reverse' as I think it's called (seriously, I mean when someone takes your words and throws them back at you)

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 08/10/2025 22:54

LEWWSH · 08/10/2025 20:35

Pretty sure statistically women are more at risk from straight, cis gender men than anyone trans. Very odd post. As this is a Mumsnet site, I really really hope that none of these parents who are transphobic through bigotry or ignorance have a child who comes out as trans. They’ll be in for a rough ride! 😢

True, there are more men without a trans identity than there are men with.

But have you thought about if you would confidently allow a trans identifying man to be alone with your 10 year old daughter in a changing room?

But keep calling women bigots and ignorant on a feminists board if it makes you feel superior.

Waitwhat23 · 08/10/2025 22:47

intrepidgiraffe · 08/10/2025 22:38

I know this is your little corner of Mumsnet and we should just leave you all to it, but since this comes up in the active section (ie we don’t actively seek you out) you should expect some of the criticism you’ve received here. It is just so strange to me that literally every single thing is viewed through your ‘gender critical’ lens. There’s lots of things I care about too, but I’m not obsessed with them in the same way. Baffling.

Oh, I know. It's so baffling when women on a Board called Feminism: Sex and Gender are talking about issues to do with sex and gender. Utterly baffling. The idea that feminists might want to talk about feminism is truly the mystery for all time.

I do stumble into The Doghouse sometimes and wonder why those crazy cats are talking about dogs. I mean, really, they're obsessed! And the less said about Style and Beauty board, the better, frankly.

(S+B board, I kid, I kid. You're far more stylish than I could even imagine myself to be).

ArabellaSaurus · 08/10/2025 22:45

Is it a Cispit or a Cispool?

Does anyone remember Millwall FC cancelled a women's rights meeting years back, cause they couldn't handle the flack?

😂

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 08/10/2025 22:43

intrepidgiraffe · 08/10/2025 22:38

I know this is your little corner of Mumsnet and we should just leave you all to it, but since this comes up in the active section (ie we don’t actively seek you out) you should expect some of the criticism you’ve received here. It is just so strange to me that literally every single thing is viewed through your ‘gender critical’ lens. There’s lots of things I care about too, but I’m not obsessed with them in the same way. Baffling.

Criticise away. You're not the first and you won't be the last.

DramaLlamacchiato · 08/10/2025 22:40

Jallypally · 08/10/2025 14:04

This site is just a cesspool of transphobes, isn’t it?

You rang? 😊