"Trans Segregation In Practice"

What are they complaining about? Not "trans" segregation, it's sex segregation. People who claim a trans identity have access to services, facilities and opportunities on the same basis as everyone else. Totally fair.

Oh, really? Good, because much as I should logically be pleased that money supposedly going towards campaigning to dismantle women's rights is being pissed down the drain, I do actually think GLP's grift is fucking disgusting and cynically exploitative.

It pays one man a huge salary and does fuck all else of note, as far as I can see.

I can’t be bothered to read them all but briefly-

It’s a shame for butch masculine looking lesbians or indeed any masculine presenting woman. Perhaps they should direct their ire at the men pretending to be women who have made women far more wary of anyone who does t seem to belong in the ladies.

As for the rest - I don’t care how much further a man has to walk to go to
the gents. Or how feminine he thinks is he looks. He belongs in the men’s with the other men.

I read some of the stories on that link. I find it belittling that they reduce everyone down to an identity. It’s “white able bodied cis woman” instead of something more personal like Sarah, 32 from Essex.

I don’t think you were asking about that but that game me the ick

I think it was established that he's about as Australian as Starmer, on the grounds that he appears to know the square root of sod all about Australia.

It's fairly obvious who some of them are and it's fairly obvious some are not individuals.

Some of them have... let's say a familiar style, but whatever you can say about Howse, he's not one to plop and run.

Let’s not assume there is just one person behind some of the new user names.

Posting patterns would back that up.

Yes…for which reason I don’t think he’d plop a thread and leave it.

He says he is, but he says a lot of things

Howse is an Aussie I think.

"Y'all." I think it's the American Mr Howse under another name. Using the same debunked and biased bullshit link that he did. They have only one post to their name, and the OP is it. Not returned to reply. Says everything doesn't it. A shit and bolter.

Trans Reddit UK is starting to wake up to Stonewall, Champion of The Most Marginalised In Society, and (having created a lot of this mess) being utterly AWOL, and the GLP grifting large amounts of cash with fuck all to show for it.

I think I was trying to 'be kind' - and should not have been. It's perhaps because every now and then you twitch slightly and look over your shoulder in case someone shouts 'burn the witch!' Not healthy. I think the onslaught on women's rights was intended, as you say. There was glee at stripping away women's spaces.

This, in spades. Trans people were sold so many lies with people suggesting to them that everyone would see them as they want to be seen, if enough pressure was applied. By public and private agencies acting as if self ID was law, when it never was.

It’s inaccurate to say ‘trans segregation’, because we have sex segregation, and always have done. Trans people are provided for but not in the way they want. I do feel compassion that that’s hard for them individually, but the blame lies with those that sold the lie.

Exactly. A mixed sex toilet does not validate them, because any sex can use it.

As I never tire of saying, it has absolutely nothing to do with the toilet itself. It's just a room with four walls and a ceiling.

It's got everything to do with the women in the room. They are the resource, they are the prop, they provide the validation and excitement, they are the tool.

It is the women who are being utilised, not the space.

Their presence is crucial.

Hence the lack of interest in gender neutral/mixed sex spaces.

The validation and fun is all next door in the ladies with the unconsenting women.

My sympathy for them is at zero.
Especially when I think of the porn soaked individuals who targeted the Girl Guides, children in the care of the State - both in children's homes and foster care and so many other children's organisations.

Imagine being so profoundly lacking in empathy and morals that you sell sex change to children alienated from their families 😡

I’m pretty sure the leading lights of transactual were instrumental in appropriating women’s rights, they were among the misleaders not the mislead.
It’s worth remembering that there have always been some trans identified males who have known they didn’t have the right to use women’s loos and so didn’t do it. Some of them tried to campaign for ‘third spaces’ for the benefit of other trans people - they had a petition which was linked to on the MN petitions&activism board. Of course they were vilified by ‘the LGBT community’ as ‘truscum’ and one (Miranda Yardley) was the subject of an attempted prosecution - by someone who’d describe herself as a ‘cis woman’ - for….transphobia. The case was flung out but it was obviously stressful for him.
So my sympathy for men who claim to think they’ve had rights removed is very limited.

I don’t feel sorry for men who thought they could use women for their sexual fetish being told they can’t.

They never had any consideration for women other than how they can use them.

I read a few of those stories and found them hard to impossible to believe. If any of them are true, then my sympathy for the 'victims' is limited. They were lied to, and told they had rights that it turns out they don't have and never had. That must be very annoying. An adult response would be to start campaigning to get mixed-sex facilities as well as single-sex ones in their workplaces and in the public spaces they use. Whining that they can't continue to have things their own way at other people's expense doesn't make me view them positively.

I feel sorry for people who were misled into thinking they had rights which in law they did not have. I also feel sorry if they are having problems at work and in their social lives. But it was the misleading as to the law that caused this problem. Had there been advocation for third spaces etc then this would not have happened. I don't wish transpeople ill, I just do not want any men in women's spaces. Now that the law is clear, naturally women feel that they can object to transwomen in their spaces and organisations cannot hide behind company/HR guidelines which were never the law.
Stonewall et al could have done much bettr for transpeople than this. They thought women would roll over and give up rights and we wouldn't.

My initial thoughts are that it sounds like HR, gyms etc are handling this proactively and sensitively and providing appropriate spaces. The reactions are juvenile and entitled, the very epitome of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," just go to the correct/neutral spaces and avoid this happening altogether.

It kind of nullifies the argument that nobody ever noticed and all women were fine sharing with TW.

I think that trying to say this is segregation is disgusting, and it's not much of an argument because they aren't actually complaining about segregation - they're fine with their being male and female facilities - they're just upset they're not allowed to be segregated into the facilities of their choosing (the wrong facilities for their sex).

Yes, who could have predicted that?