J.K Rowling's Position

And still you are leveraging the atrocities of the situation between Israel and Palestine.

Just like you told us that if women didn’t allow male people into our groups, then male people wouldn’t know how to treat women with respect.

Your point of mentioning it is vile.

Your point can be simulated as below:

Women, you saying no to these male people will lead to their retaliation! Just saying!

Oh… no! I am not saying you would deserve it…. Just that this is where your denial of their access to your provisions will lead to them acting this way!

No Howseitgoin, you cannot explain away your leveraging of the situation between Israel and Palestine. You have done it, and we can see you have done it. You use of it was another act of misogyny and intimidation, amongst other things.

“But that's not all they are saying. Dehumanising & demonising rhetoric”.

oh! You mean women saying ‘we need our single sex provisions to remain single sex’ is dehumanising and demonising? Is that because women saying that are rejecting that any male should be treated as if they are female, which they cannot possibly be?

So, tell us, is there anyway that women can say, ‘we need our single sex provisions to remain single sex’ without it dehumanising and demonising those male people who a say they are female?

Perhaps it is just saying ‘we need our single sex provisions to remain single sex ‘ will always be dehumanising and demonising? Is that it?

We can think it, but we must never articulate it. Is that what you are saying? Just as was admitted in the Allison Bailey trial and in the NHS Fife trial.

Please suggest how women and girls can say ‘we need our single sex provisions to remain single sex and exclude all male people’ without it being considered dehumanising and demonising.

"What possible justification is there for the posts in the first place?"

An explanation is not a justification just as it isn't for describing the predictable motivations of any brutal uprising. See: Hamas 7/10, The French Revolution, The Black Slavery rebellions etc etc.

10/10 for mirroring Zionist fasci 'terrorist supporter' manipulative accusatory tactics tho!

"If you think women saying ‘I don’t believe you should access female single sex provisions’ is suitable provocation you have a very warped sense of proportionate action."

Ho hum motte & bailey.
But that's not all they are saying. Dehumanising & demonising rhetoric goes with these 'concerns' like peas & carrots. Of course not being able to understand the problem with such language is perhaps why you can't recognise it….

"However, this is a list of women recording the threats made in person or on twitter , all found via twitter search today"

And I could provide endless photographic evidence of the carnage on 7/10 but that wouldn't prove the history of the conflict started on that date.

And no, it's not just 'nonsense posted online'.

A selection of actual posters, at rallies. Actual threats against women. Did the Police do anything? Aye, right. Handwaved away.

Across the world, across history, during times of war, women are subject to rape and brutalisation as systematic weapon of war. There's too many examples for me to even to begin to list.

Despite a very small number of men being the victims of domestic abuse, the VAST majority of those experiencing domestic violence are women, with a known starting point being when women are pregnant or just after having given birth.

Men who are family annihilators are often described as being 'a lovely family man who just snapped'.

Rape survivors are routinely humiliated in court. A recent case had voice recordings of the perpetrator outright admitting what he had done and it still wasn't a unanimous verdict from the jury.

I could go on giving examples from across the world through the night and I wouldn't even scratch the surface.

There is an epidemic of VAWG across the world. Do I really have to explain on a feminism board that women face abuse and violence from men?

And as for the whole Trojan horse nonsense, you do get that there are women actually affected by the 'trans stuff'? That self ID policies actually led to an independent review finding that ERCC had 'harmed rape survivors'? That women in Scotland have actually been locked up with male rapists following Government policy? I mean, women aren't even included in the Scottish Hate Crime Bill, because who gives a fuck, right?

And (i know, you haven't bothered to read the thread) but there's been plenty of examples of women being harmed and it being handwaved away, systematically, by institutions designed to serve us.

And many of us have men in our lives who we love and trust. But we actually give a shit about other women, who don't have safe, trustworthy men or women who have violence done against them in the street, in hospitals, prisons etc etc etc

But 'the poor men', right.

I fucking despair

Ahhh, the sound of cognitive dissonance when your hero's mask slips….

https://medium.com/the-radical-center/is-j-k-rowling-anti-semitic-f9f21fb04707

I've not even read the rest of the thread but I'm willing to bet that your example of VAW being 'justified' is some nonsense posted online by TRAs. Probably that women disagreeing with them is 'literal violence' so they deserve what they get or something like that.

The thing is, the whole trans thing barely registers for the vast majority of women that don't spend loads of time online. Not to say that it's not an extremely concerning trend with men competing in women's sports/being housed in women's prisons etc. But you can't really use it to make sweeping statements about men in general.

Transwomen are a vanishingly tiny percentage of the male population with a high incidence of mental illness. Most blokes see them as weirdos even if they're wise enough not to say as much.

For comparison, the suffragettes were far more violent than the trans lobby - the latter haven't yet attempted to detonate bombs in packed theatres and churches and to my knowledge haven't actually killed and maimed multiple people through terror attacks. Nobody is using the suffragettes violent crimes to try and generalise about women, despite them generally being idolised.

Despite feminists always claiming to speak on behalf of women, most of us aren't down with the man hating stuff and studies repeatedly show this. The trans lobby are bonkers but trying to use it as a trojan horse to hate on half the population is just like the people banging on about immigrants. Most of us don't have a problem with good men. For most women, their closest ally is usually a man - their husband or partner.

Oh my. You know, that's just what my feminism is lacking. A focus on those poor violent men.

Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.

But this is just nonsense. No normal people think VAW is justified. It's more often the other way around IME where people look for reasons why a woman did something violent because women can't possibly just be violent - "he must have pushed her to it" etc.

The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

This is nonsense too. The worst thing about male violence is....well....the violence. You'd probs feel differently if you were a man - i.e. the main victims. And before you say it, yes, men are the perpetrators of it. This doesn't mean a black man is responsible for a racist attack on his person or a gay man responsible for homophobic violence.

Most normal people see other divisions apart from just sex. Many of these are more polarising. I mean, look at Israel/Palestine. Are we saying that the only victims that matter are the women and children because the innocent male civilians deserve the male violence visited upon them for being male?

I think the problem is that too many people read nonsense on twitter and try and extrapolate wider truth from it when it's mostly just people bickering online.

The more women say no to him, the more he unleashes his inner incel

Quite. I tried to work out if his nastiness toward women is escalating or has it always been that bad. Then I realise I don’t actually care as it is just repetitive trite nonsense but helpful to us in the long run.

I mean, one of the rules 'women saying no to men is a hate crime' is literally true in Scotland.

Another 'women's opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified' has been demonstrated on this very thread

I could go on...

Given the tsunami of misogynistic posts that's quite an achievement isn't it?
While I appreciate the efforts of women to analyse and challenge all the anti women drivel, I'm uneasy at giving so much attention to a man who spends endless hours on a board called Mumsnet demonstrating his anti social, anti safeguarding, anti women views.

I don't think women should have to get unchanged with men, much less have to justify this to the world, but the rules of misogyny are a load of bollocks tbf.

That image you linked is a goblin from the Harry Potter films. What's your point?

;;;"Now, would you like to post the provocation you keep claiming is the excuse for the violence and the abuse?";;;

According to you all the 'evidence' proving 'innocence' is still there. Now go fetch since you 'still have access'.

I notice he hasn't gone and fetched his imaginary "provocation," for some inexplicable reason.

By the way, @UnintentionalArcher , here are some more examples if you needed to see them.

Absolutely! Just like a bitch should be directed.

The same one who leveraged the horrors of Israel / Gaza to intimidate women by providing yet another chilling victim blaming account of what will happen to women who do not agree with that poster and others like them.

I really do hope that the OP does read the posts and considers them carefully. The daily posts are rather illustrative.

did you just tell a woman to “go fetch”? Seriously? Now come on we talked about this. We use kind words. We also remember to eat a biscuit when you’re hungry and open a window. Now please go and find the information you have said shows women provoked males into threatening them with death, violence and rape.

Exactly as Helle said.

well said. There is no possible “provocation” for men to justify threatening women with rape, torture or murder. It’s concerning someone thought that was a reasonable gotcha.

Remember though, we are told that we should not simply expect male people who demand to be treated as female people to simply lie down and accept their oppression!

While women are expected to do just that. And saying no, kindly, or bluntly, seems to be considered suitable provocation in some people’s opinion to justify threats of rape and violence, assaults, abuse and intimidation.

This is a group of male people who believe it is appropriate for them to post images and videos of themselves in female single sex spaces knowing that the policies and ultimately the law excludes them. They think it is protesting. Whereas women are threatened and intimidated by seeing those images and videos.

Which is the point. When female people who disagree have been dehumanised, then threats and intimidation is ok. Because they are no longer human.

It is bonkers.

Howse

Of course what Terf Is A Slur.com won't conveniently show is the preceding provocations.

Provocation? Saying no to men in women's spaces and sports is hardly deserving of graphic rape and death threats, complete with axes, knives, baseball bags studded with nails and barbed wire, guns.

It's wholly and vastly disproportionate and unhinged. I can't believe that you actually think the examples on terfisaslur were justifiable, or in any way to be excused.

You really, REALLY suck at being human.

Why do I need to provide proof of innocence?

What possible justification is there for the posts in the first place? If you think women saying ‘I don’t believe you should access female single sex provisions’ is suitable provocation you have a very warped sense of proportionate action.

However, this is a list of women recording the threats made in person or on twitter , all found via twitter search today

https://x.com/evaplopp/status/1970810215215014108?s=46

https://x.com/crit_gen/status/1616779008687083520?s=46

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1963465628053848363?s=46

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/1900820249726898594?s=46

https://x.com/daily_mailus/status/1715780922543382846?s=46

https://x.com/blablafishcakes/status/1914256372645978451?s=46

https://x.com/womensrightsnet/status/1914980961911033983?s=46

I am very happy to find more. We have threads with videos of women being physically assaulted and intimidated at events around the world as well as more from the UK that we haven’t posted. Would you like us to post them too?

Here is a reminder of the type of content that used to stay up on twitter despite reporting. The ‘Shut the fuck up Terf’ meme with a gun was very much left up on twitter before Musk’s team.

https://x.com/ratciclefan/status/1956164701370396702?s=46

https://x.com/lautrea/status/1920478637251576014?s=46

https://x.com/yoodio_todo/status/1626365163141222402?s=46

https://x.com/andy_frost/status/1610360847481864192?s=46

https://x.com/kraywhiseheart/status/1620292942354345985?s=46

A million times this

Well, quite.

I'm always a bit astounded at the amount of ploppers who are determined to openly declare that they are against women's rights. Against women's legal right to single sex services. Against women being able to talk about issues which affect them.

They might as well have a massive lit up sign saying 'men are more important than women' with a hooter that periodically sets off a trumpet fanfare.