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J.K Rowling's Position

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middler · 05/10/2025 21:20

I am not a regular on these boards but I am aware of the controversy over J K Rowling's position as I have encountered so many young people who have become very hostile with me if I do not show that I do not go along with them in their views that she is the equivalent of a racist in her attitude towards racists. I try and stay neutral and not declare my views but that is not enough for them. They want tos ee you express the same vitriol that they have so they can be assured you are on the same side. I find it so anti democratic frankly.

Privately I was relieved with the British ruling that means trans women who may well still have a penis and all the bad actors who could then take full advantage of a law that allowed transwomen into women only spaces, are not allowed to access those women spaces. I appreciate that most transwomen just want to go about leading their daily lives identifying as women and using women spaces is part of that and they have no ill intent. But many do not have bottom surgery and so yes they still have a penis as do the men who can just wake up one day and say they identify as a woman and start using those women only spaces and not have good intent? What am I missing? Why don't the younger generation see this and get that it is a huge risk to women? Do they think that there will be no bad actors? I just do not get it. The law is not to punish transwomen. It's to protect women.

I am not without sympathy for transwomen who genuinely feel uncomfortable going into male spaces. I appreciate that they identify as female but I just feel it's a conflict of rights and that you cannot sacrifice the right of women to feel safe in a women only space so that the smaller % of transwomen do not feel uncomfortable. Safety trumps comfort.

I personally would not react to a transwoman being in a female toilet but then I am aware how do I know it is a genuine transwoman and not a bad actor so I appreciate other women not being comfortable.
Maybe we need additional gender neutral toilets in this day and age.

But when this topic comes up with many younger people I can tell that the fact that I do not join in with the hatred for JK Rowling, that it puts me in the pro JK Rowling camp and I do agree with her support of ensuring that law got passed.

I am not so sure about the comments she made about kids not being trans as I think some kids as teens do seem to think they are in the wrong gender, maybe not in the large numbers that we are seeing today but clearly some people do feel they were born in the wrong gender and as a society I think we do have to support them without sacrificing the rights of an other group.

Rowling has never expressed hate for transpeople as far as I am aware. I do think she can be provocative in how she expressed her views and that is her choice but I just do not understand how the younger generation claim she is the equivalent of a racist but with trans rights? The language they use about her is so strong and I really try to avoid conversations about her because it has become so divisive- it is hard to find a millennial who does not agree with Emma Watson's viewpoint.

I am not 100% up to date with all Rowling has said but what has she said that is so bad that the younger generation have such deep hatred for her? I am just trying to understand it better and be ready to respond to the vitriol I get from younger colleagues when it comes up as it does seem to.

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NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 10:17

So that little lie down didn’t improve your arguments then?

”JKR is antisemitic cos…just look, see?”

and

”everyone’s saying it on the sly”

You’ve really outshone yourself this time🙄

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 09/10/2025 10:16

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 10:15

Good luck with finding out who I am….🤡

Apt emoji 🤣🥴👍

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 10:15

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 09:58

Yet here you are accusing her of antisemitism with impunity. Aren’t you lucky she doesn’t give two hoots about your silly little false accusations?

Good luck with finding out who I am….🤡

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 09:58

Yet here you are accusing her of antisemitism with impunity. Aren’t you lucky she doesn’t give two hoots about your silly little false accusations?

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 09:13

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:30

It says they are scared shitless of a billionaire pointing a lawyer & her institutional power at their head not to mention they don't have to say she is because a picture is worth a thousand words….

Yes because JKR has sued how many people who have slandered, libelled and defamed her, remind me?

SinnerBoy · 09/10/2025 09:06

GaIadriel · Today 00:31

I've not even read the rest of the thread but I'm willing to bet that your example of VAW being 'justified' is some nonsense posted online by TRAs.

It's apparent that you haven't read the thread and you've missed her point by a country mile!

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 08:57

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:30

It says they are scared shitless of a billionaire pointing a lawyer & her institutional power at their head not to mention they don't have to say she is because a picture is worth a thousand words….

Oh no, Master, isn’t it us that speak in dog whistles and believe in conspiracy theories?

Helleofabore · 09/10/2025 08:54

Oh noes….. everyone is provoking our most superior educator this morning!

Howseitgoin has only sought to enlighten us by telling us what the repercussions are to women who don’t agree with Howseitgoin and male people who say they are female and should access female single sex spaces! We shouldn’t disagree at all with Howseitgoin or male people who want access to anywhere female people go, we cannot say we need single sex spaces in any way that doesn’t dehumanise and demonise male people who tell us they are female when they are not.

We have to accept that those male people we say should be excluded cannot control their reactions and we shouldn’t expect them to. That nothing but full acceptance will work and then we will not get threatened, assaulted and abused.

The lesson this morning was clear.

If we disagree with Howseitgoin and those male people. Howseitgoin has already told us what the repercussions are and what we can expect. Disagreement is suitable provocation because women being attacked, threatened and abused for saying they need single sex spaces have always provoked their attackers just by saying something and are never innocent.

People!!! We have been warned that we deserve all the attacks and abuse we get for not heeding the advice that we cannot expect male people who demand to access all female provisions to control themselves, nor their supporters! Don’t you see????

The onus is on us as women not to provoke at all because that group of male people have no control, like rapists cannot control themselves, like child abductors cannot control themselves, neither can this group of male people.

Thank you again for the warnings about some male people’s behaviour and how we as women should just STFU so as not to provoke them, Howseitgoin. This thread has been most enlightening.

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:47

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:28

You did. Apparently you're all still 'confused' about 'what trans gender means' because the dictionary is toooo hard to understand so now your'e looking for other 'victims' to harangue relentlessly to 'explain' something you are incapable of understanding.

You’re funny. Have you thought about a career in comedy? It might cut down your scolding time but I think that it’d be good for you. It’d get you out meeting people and that can only be beneficial.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:30

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:18

Ok so the author of your “proof” link says she’s not antisemitic. So what does that say about your comprehension?

As we’ve said: take a breath, lie down, pause, have a biscuit, think a bit more.

It says they are scared shitless of a billionaire pointing a lawyer & her institutional power at their head not to mention they don't have to say she is because a picture is worth a thousand words….

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:28

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:15

Who sent out the batshit signal?

You did. Apparently you're all still 'confused' about 'what trans gender means' because the dictionary is toooo hard to understand so now your'e looking for other 'victims' to harangue relentlessly to 'explain' something you are incapable of understanding.

eatfigs · 09/10/2025 08:26

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 07:50

Yeah & how do square that? Identifying jewish tropes is 'antisemitism' now?

2+2 = 5..

Not just that, where you're revealing what you really think about Jewish people, but also, more subtle dogwhistles in other things you've been saying. Time for some self-reflection, I think.

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:18

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:15

Lol.
Um a topic change from JKR's self evident antisemitism isn't a climb down nor is pointing out that GC's participate in maintaining gendered stereotypes related to what they want in women's spaces.

You really have a serious comprehension 'issue.'

Ok so the author of your “proof” link says she’s not antisemitic. So what does that say about your comprehension?

As we’ve said: take a breath, lie down, pause, have a biscuit, think a bit more.

Beowulfa · 09/10/2025 08:18

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:03

You just like everyone else would distinguish women from men by gendered stereotypes in practice because you would rarely know for sure another's 'biological' sex status.

And don't waste my time telling me you can 'tell' because you can't.

Is it time for the picture of Eddie Izzard queuing for the womens loos wearing pink coat, fishnets and high heels; whilst actual women in trousers, anoraks and sensible shoes politely ignore him? Eddie is helpfully highlighting his "biological" sex status by having a public rummage down the front of his pants.

I've put a word in intalics for you, Howse, as you seem to think it confers authority and gravitas to your posts.

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:15

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:10

So to be clear, you’ve climbed down from the antisemitism accusations and now you’re saying that women only want people who conform to gendered stereotypes into women’s spaces?

Posting that Friends gif reminded me of a line Chandler uses in one episode that seems quite apt: how do you not fall down more?

Lol.
Um a topic change from JKR's self evident antisemitism isn't a climb down nor is pointing out that GC's participate in maintaining gendered stereotypes related to what they want in women's spaces.

You really have a serious comprehension 'issue.'

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:15

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/10/2025 08:11

Crikey

it’s incoherent nutjob central around here at the moment

I see ‘but muh sexist gender stereotypes’ guy is back

Edited

Who sent out the batshit signal?

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:14

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:11

What you say you want & what you actually do in the real world are two very different things.

Err… are you ok mate? Seriously. Get some water and have a nice lie down. You're starting to sound a bit upset. Have you tried eating a biscuit.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/10/2025 08:11

Crikey

it’s incoherent nutjob central around here at the moment

I see ‘but muh sexist gender stereotypes’ guy is back

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:11

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:09

What are you blithering about? Feminists want to smash gender stereotypes. I don’t care if a bloke wears a dress, full face of slap and calls himself harmonieee sparklepants. It just means he’s a bloke who likes dresses and make up. So as he’s a bloke, he uses male facilities. Easy.

What you say you want & what you actually do in the real world are two very different things.

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:10

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:06

It's not me saying so, its your own actions….& you know that 😂

So to be clear, you’ve climbed down from the antisemitism accusations and now you’re saying that women only want people who conform to gendered stereotypes into women’s spaces?

Posting that Friends gif reminded me of a line Chandler uses in one episode that seems quite apt: how do you not fall down more?

Namelessnelly · 09/10/2025 08:09

Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:03

You just like everyone else would distinguish women from men by gendered stereotypes in practice because you would rarely know for sure another's 'biological' sex status.

And don't waste my time telling me you can 'tell' because you can't.

What are you blithering about? Feminists want to smash gender stereotypes. I don’t care if a bloke wears a dress, full face of slap and calls himself harmonieee sparklepants. It just means he’s a bloke who likes dresses and make up. So as he’s a bloke, he uses male facilities. Easy.

Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2025 08:08

My, it's been a wild ride this morning

J.K Rowling's Position
Howseitgoin · 09/10/2025 08:06

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:04

Ok mate, if you say so 🥱

It's not me saying so, its your own actions….& you know that 😂

NotBadConsidering · 09/10/2025 08:04

Ok mate, if you say so 🥱