Waterside Arts Centre Sale clearly ignoring Supreme Court

So… are you getting the wheels in motion against this arts centre ?@GargoylesofBeelzebub

How are they policing who's using what?

It's pointless if anyone can go where they like.

That's the correct configuration under the current building regs, well done them!

Keep up. Women crowdfunded the Supreme Court ruling and we will crowdfund to make sure it is complied with. As many court cases as it takes.

Perfect. Why can't they all do that? (And enforce it, of course).

People here are viscerally attached to the dignity of women, rather. Males are not female. Female dignity and privacy matters.

The venue I spoke of has created a male block of toilets, a female block of toilets, one single ocupancy 'gender neutral' toilet, as well as one single occupancy assessible toilet. It seems like a perfect solution. New build arts venue on a university campus. No fuss at all.

Nah dude.

No hate for trans people as a class.

Plenty of condemnation for abusive, boundary violating males and their enablers.

I accuse you of enabling abuse because you are advocating for safeguarding to be dismantled.

By smearing legitimate concern as bigotry against trans people, you imply that violating the boundaries of others is inherent to a trans identity. That's actually transphobic, so I'll accuse you of that too while we're here.

Glyndebourne went down this route. Guess what they did. Converted a ladies loos to unisex which doesn't meet the building regs - the cubicles are not enclosed and the washbasins are in the main area not the cubicles. They are disgusting - wet floors and water splashed around the handbasins. Given its a venue where women often wear long dresses and carry clutch bags it means that what they've actually done is given a whole extra loo to the men (who didn't have to queue in the first place). When I complained I got a whole load of waffle.

Sweet you joined mumsnet or user name changed just to post on this thread

There you go - that's how you show hypocrisy. By accusing everyone who refuses to compromise the rights of women and girls of being bigots.

I’d imagine it’s more along the lines of asking someone to leave, banning them from the place or even calling the police if they refuse. If a service provider discriminates on the basis of sex (whether it be toilet provision or something else), the user can take legal action through the county court. Hope that helps.

Who enforces not mugging people in the street? Burglary? Speeding?

Generally the police.

So what you are saying is the police need to be called here, and it ill all be sorted.

Glad to have cleared that up. What a ninny I can be at times !

You didn’t need to edit!

Just can't be arsed

men could try just obeying the law

What Is stopping you from following your suggestion on this then @sp ?

This is an embarrassing but also kind of numerous post 😆

Who enforces not mugging people in the street? Burglary? Speeding?

If you're saying that people will not respect the law then obviously penalties will have to be brought in, won't they? And breaking it will have to be made unpleasant enough to motivate those incapable of respecting others' rights by themselves.

Because you cannot just expect that people can't be buggered to let women have rights, and hope that society decides next that Jewish people, black people, gay people, trans people etc aren't entitled to their legal protections. Fgs. I know TRAs want an end to police, prisons, sanity, stuff like that, but really....

fine words.

But who will enforce them ?

OK fine.
How about my post?
I'd be interested in your response to that.

If you participate in dismantling safeguarding then yes, you're going to have to take responsibility for it.

The consenting women are in the mixed sex spaces taking their clothes off. There is no need to compel the involvement of non consenting women or children, and the motives of anyone doing so are not innocent.

Not agreeing as a woman to get your kit off for a man because to not unconditionally pretend for him he isn't a man is 'bigoted'.

Yes. Absolutely. And lawnmowers from the planet Zargh are small teapots who run the civil service, and I'm King Canute.

There you go - that’s how to show bigotry. By accusing everyone who refuses to join in the visceral hatred of trans people of being abusers.

You're essentially saying here that safeguarding is bigoted. Is that what you meant to imply? Because it's the opinion of an abuser or an enabler of abuse.

The law is not bigoted. There are good reasons why we have separate male and female facilities. Those reasons apply to transwomen as equally as they do other males.

Companies need to be following the law.