Waterside Arts Centre Sale clearly ignoring Supreme Court

Nobody is "pretending" anything. It is you who has absolutely zero consideration for female people, clearly.

Women have good reasons to be wary of strange/unknown men in public places in which their undressed body or their biological function is centred. This is why these facilities were created: because of the differences between the sexes and the way that those differences can impact upon women - in a harmful or threatening way at worst, or creating discomfort at the very least.

Trans people are either male or female just like everyone else. They are not a discrete, or unique, type of human being that transcends the sex binary. They are people who, for whatever reason, like, prefer, desire, even feel they need to present and be seen as the opposite sex to that which they are. That's it.

Why have you not been campaigning for 'third' facilities all of this time, rather than trampling and denying the boundaries of female people - and centring the desires of male people in doing so.

Yawn. You can participate in the Emperor’s New Clothes 2025 style if you so wish. No one else has to and they aren’t transphobic for it either.

'campaign of hate'

AKA just use your own toilets lads.

@Jallypally are you in a relationship? Have children? Colleagues? Friends?

do you discuss this with them?

Oh don’t be daft

I don’t know how many of the transphobes in this thread are women.

The vast majority on here are women so yes we are concerned with our safety and that of our daughters.

I am fascinated by your day to day

is it constantly looking for women to argue with about trans rights?

No, it isn’t. I like to call out those who wage a campaign of hate against trans people. Particularly transphobes who gaslight others that they aren’t really doing what they’re doing.

Any male person who knowingly intrudes into a designated space or facility that has been overtly designated as being for female people only is knowingly pushing and breaching boundaries. What do you call it if someone does this? Is that not an act of disrespect at least, and hatred at worst? the world does not revolve around the 'identity' of individuals and their desire for validation.

Having designated singles sex spaces is not hatred. We have them for a good reason. Thousands of years of experience tell us that female dignity and the privacy of sex is best served by having such categories.

When there is already an established 'alternative' facility the purpose of which is clear, it makes it easier to police.

@Jallypally is your life a constant fight with women?

I don't think it has required policing as far as I'm aware.

I’m concerned about women’s dignity and safety because I am a woman, why would I need to pretend to be concerned about my own safety?

I would guess that most posters don’t hate trans people at all, we would like them to have happy and fulfilling lives, with equal opportunities for housing, employment and healthcare. I would simply like to eg be able to use a changing room without encountering a male in there, however he identifies. That’s not hatred, that’s something borne from my lived experience as a female. If that makes me a bigot or a transphobe then I will happily accept that label, I’ve been called worse so it’s water off a duck’s back, sticks and stones and all that.

‘Trans people’, or boundary pushing, lying, gaslighting men? If it were a hatred of trans people trans men (females) would be included wouldn’t they?

Nothing makes my eyes roll harder when it’s straight to ‘waahhh you hate all trans people’ when women just want single sex spaces. Have a day off.

Many men who identify as women may well have been misinformed regarding access to single sex spaces. However, the Supreme Court has now clarified the law and established that no male person has the right to access female only spaces. Any trans identifying man who now insists on using female only spaces will be displaying "abusive boundary pushing" behaviour and stating this fact is not hate.

Have you since the ruling?

Ok…. So do it!

No, it’s when people pretend they’re concerned about women’s dignity/safety as a cover for expressing hatred of trans people. Which, to be fair, you don’t bother to try to do in your post.

Portraying trans women as “abusive boundary pushing males” IS expressing hate for trans people as a class.

Gaslighting huh? Interesting word. Is that like when men try to convince us they’re women, when we know very well they’re not and never can be?

It's not pointless. Just like it's not pointless to put up signs telling drivers to slow down - it can't be policed 24/7, it mostly works on trust, but it's putting on record that if you're doing something wrong if you ignore the signs.

Most men used to respect women's spaces and as the saying goes 'The good men stay out so the bad men stand out', and maybe that respect can be restored in society. Clear signage that these toilets are for biological males and those toilets are for biological females puts it up to men to do the right thing.
Like those 'drive slowly' signs.

It's helpful to have the backing of the law.

Not this one no. I have no standing here. My local area I will take action though. HTH

There are many ways that this can be progressed. One way would be to send a polite email to the centre to point out that the current signage is unlawful under EA2010 as confirmed by the SC and ask that they amend it. If they respond with a "fair cop guv. We'll amend the signage." then the story ends.

This is unlikely. A next step could be a complaint to the licencing authority (Trafford Borough Council). Licensing Authorities must perform their duties according to the four 'licensing objectives' contained in the Act. These are:

The prevention of crime and disorder.
Public safety.
The protection of children from harm.
The prevention of public nuisance.

Send a complaint to the Licencing Authority. The centre is almost certainly in breach of point 3 and may well be in breach of all four points. The Licencing Authority is duty bound to investigate and produce a report.

Any further steps would be dependant on the outcome of the Licencing report.

It's easy to get the wheels in motion. Trafford council partly fund this, as a Trafford resident, I will email my local councillors. I don't think it is too much to expect public bodies to follow the law.