Waterside Arts Centre Sale clearly ignoring Supreme Court

And they are very clearly by the sounds of it not providing single sex facilities.

The OP has been very clear on how clear the signage is.

You are never going to be able to guarantee anything; but with the establishment of discrete provisions and the passage of time it will become less of an issue. The way that toilet facilities used to be before the advent of trans mania.

No they can't do whatever they like.

The Supreme Court ruling was about the whole of the Equality Act which covers services as well as employers.

There is no requirement for a service provider to provide single sex facilities but if they do, they can't then allow men in the women's and vice versa. If they only provide mixed sex facilities they may be at risk of a claim for indirect sex discrimination and harassment.

It's down to the individual venue how they practically enforce the supreme court ruling, as long as they can guarantee there will be no men in the women's toilets at any time then there won't be a problem.

Unless they were the staff toilets, they can do whatever they like.

The Supreme Court ruling was about provision of single sex spaces where they are legally required.

There’s no requirement for an arts centre to provide single sex facilities for anything for their clients. There are requirements for staff provision by employers.

But what are you expecting more generally...once the provision of an additional gender neutral facility in most places has been achieved? Do you really expect workplaces and entertainment venues etc to have guards on the door?

I'm expecting you not to suggest women put themselves in danger by approaching these men.

I'm not sure what you are expecting, or wanting me to suggest?

A man intruding in a female space would most likely be confronted by at least one woman who would re-direct him elsewhere.

Why should women put themselves in danger by confronting TIMs?

This is both inappropriate and unacceptable, the safety of women and girls must come first.

As I explained earlier when a discrete facility is provided ( a 'gender neutral' facility) alongside single sex facilities then everyone knows and understands what this implies. And everyone's physical needs as well as their dignity have been catered for, A man intruding in a female space would most likely be confronted by at least one woman who would re-direct him elsewhere.

In the short term some men will try their luck and push it.......but with time this would diminish. These sorts of things tend to be self policing. Once the provision of a third space/facility becomes the norm people will get used to it and the issue will fade.

There are obviously no guarantees in life, though.

Transwomen are men. Their behaviour and characteristics are no different to other men in general.

A man in a space that is designated for female people is an intruder; someone who has knowingly breached boundaries. Women and girls have usually had a lifetime of men pushing and crossing boundaries for their own gratification; including sexual gratification and it makes them uncomfortable at least, and actively threatened at worst.

Voyeurism is when someone intrudes upon a private space in which they should not be, in which they know they should not be, and gets enjoyment, a thrill, or some kind of personal validation or 'feel good' strokes from that. We all know what it feels likes to have a man being voyeuristic, or worse, in our presence; but most often it is the obvious ' otherness' of male people that is disconcerting and uncomfortable. Female only spaces protect the privacy and intimate dignity of one's sex.

TW are, in fact, more often inclined to violate boundaries than men in general - because they feel entitled to do so and transgression is a big part of what it means to be transgender. Good men stay out of women spaces and they understand why. It is the men who keep encroaching that are the problem.

You're overcomplicating things, Jallypally - the law says men's, women's and accessible toilets, and that access to the sex segregated ones is on the basis of biological sex.
It's that simple, and doesn't require all the time and effort you put into opposing efforts to make this simple, straightforward, long-established configuration a reality in all public venues.

If it’s not “routine”, whats an acceptable number of predatory men presenting as trans women in order to abuse women in lavatories, then?

How many predatory men presenting as trans women do women have to accept?

To save you some time, let’s skip over “It never happens” (it does) and “those aren’t genuine trans women” (how can anyone - including you - tell, and why should anyone care?)

Why are women’s feelings less important than men’s?

The specification was introduced in 2024. Anything built before then doesn’t need to have a washing facility inside the same room as the toilet, as long as the toilet is in a separate room designed for one user at a time. Mixed-sex washbasins comply with the law.

In that case how can they be sure that everyone is using the correct toilet?

I wouldn't feel safe using a facility unless they could guarantee there are no men present.

Dismissal, scolding, guilt by association, belittling.

Same old patriarchal bullshit.

Ridicule is the best response

Maybe Jally the message should be to men. Men if you see a TW in the toilets #BeKind. And let us women pee in peace.

I believe the notion that predatory men are routinely presenting as trans women in order to abuse women in lavatories, or that banning all trans women from women’s lavatories is a proportionate response to that risk, is wrong. It is a trope promoted by those whose real priority is not safeguarding women but rather (quoting someone on this thread) “fighting gender ideology” (aka making life harder for trans people).
Violence against women by men is a very serious problem. If you think devoting time and resources to making the Waterside Arts Centre exclude trans women from their lavatories is a priority in the fight to end that violence, then I suppose I’ll leave you to it.

Your username’s certainly apt here.

There’s no need for them to create single cubicle loos (other than to meet the requirement for disabled facilities). They can just remove the signage and keep the two sets of loos single sex, as the law requires them to.

Job done. No drama. Little cost to them (replacing two doors). Probably the very easiest change any organisation, whether strapped for cash or not, could enact.

You are the only poster on this thread who portrays transwomen as boundary pushing / abusive because you seem to believe that they couldn't possibly stay out of women's single sex spaces. That they couldn't possibly follow the law. That they couldn't possibly have empathy and understanding towards the class of human they identify as.

That's a sweeping generalisation and not true. Some transwomen have never sought to dismantle safeguarding/ disregard women's boundaries. Others have realised that their presence in women's spaces was unwelcome, that acquiescence isn't genuine acceptance, that consent has been coerced. I have a lot of respect for people brave enough to admit they were wrong.

As for portraying transwomen as males? Well dude! That's just reality. Males are males. Many are not abusive. A significant amount are abusive/ enable abuse. Gender id is irrelevant. Abusive males don't wear handy labels so boundary violation can be all women have to go on. Don't want to be called an abuser/ enabler of abuse? Don't violate women's boundaries. Pretty fucking simple.

Who are you responding to? If you want to discuss then you need to address and direct your points.

However, It comes across that you are simply out of your depth and so are resorting to juvenile name calling and accusation instead. I'm not sure what you think that will achieve?

We're grown ups here - with lives, professions, and with a wealth of knowledge and experience. We are not kids in a playground.

I think it’s quite clear who the man is

Jallypally knows what a woman is when it suits them then?

Name calling is not very grown up and achieves nothing. Women here have been getting called names for many years, and having abuse screamed at them by people who seem to think they are somehow better people, morally righteous etc....but in reality who have absolutely zero emapthy for the needs and dignity of female people as a group.