Inside the DHSC’s secret courtship of anti-trans lobby groups

The Bee Gees please !!

For the TRA's

Tragedy
When the law's been confirmed and you can't obfuscate,
It's tragedy
When as much as you stamp, you can't make us do shit
It's hard to bear
That women won't wheesht and you can't make us share
Duh dun dah.

(Having a wee dance moment in my kitchen Steps style)

I love that!!!

That was because someone said 'Tragedy'.
I already had 'Rhythm is a Dancer' in my head when someone posted 'Nature is a transphobe' [by Snap, in case you're racking your brains..]

Actually it works quite well:
Rhythm is a dancer
Nature is a transphobe
It's a soul's companion
People feel it everywhere
Lift your hands and voices
Free your mind and join us
You can feel it in the air

Thanks for attempting to answer my question, but you didn't.

You compared trans rights here to those in other countries, whereas I asked you to compare to other people in the UK of the same sex.

You also mentioned 'changing sex' which I think is clear isn't actually possible, whatever you were 'sold' in the past.

Do you want to have another try?

(I feel sorry for the old fashioned transsexuals who were relatively quietly going about their own business for years before the TRAs over-reached so much they got caught in the crossfire. Perhaps the transsexuals should have spoken up against the TRAs and the overreach.)

But you haven’t changed your sex. The clue is in the name - transgender.

So you change your gender (whatever that means) but your sex remains the important factor for various purposes, like spaces and words. You never had the right to use opposite sex provisions, you still don’t and have lost nothing. HTH.

You were asked repeatedly what rights trans don't have. That you can't answer, says everything.

Nooo!L. Now I’ve got the song in my head !!!

The trans arguments again and again when pitched in the courtroom do not stand up to scrutiny because they are irrational, illogical and not grounded in facts so the only thing that the movement has had to fall back on is widespread emotional manipulation.

However the wholesale abuse of women who speak out rationally and logically, the widespread attempts at control and domination of other people who are in the population that the movement is callously envious of, the complete empathy deficit the movement shows towards people who are actually vulnerable not just those with a misplaced victim mentality and the wholesale attempts at emotional manipulation have lead to complete compassion fatigue for the whole movement.

TRAs have literally ruined the lives of trans people that previously were quietly living their lives in harmony with the wider population. They are an absolute disgrace @BeeSourianteAgain.

Go blame TRAs for what has happened to your movement.

Since @BeeSourianteAgain derided trauma, @BeeSourianteAgain wasn’t too bothered about the participation on this forum of those that @BeeSourianteAgain derided as the intent was to humiliate them and drive them off.

Thankfully, or perhaps not, mnhq deleted the post.

This is a parenting forum. How many trans people would you expect there to be? Rejecting your sex isn't particularly compatible with becoming a parent.

Do you understand that changing sex is impossible?

It’s really sad that the use of slurs towards rape survivors means that some people don’t get to participate fully in this forum and have to step away because of the nasty slurs posted against people like them wouldn’t you say @BeeSourianteAgain ?

just a pikachu moment indeed.

It’s perfectly sensible if you don’t like the laws of the country where you reside to move somewhere else. Lots of people do that.

Again, what rights in the U.K. do you lack that are less than the rights that everyone else has?

and I don’t mean the rights that you were wrongly told you had, that you were gifted against the law and that you never should have had in the first place.

What you mean, Bee, is that in some other countries trans people have been granted special rights. Here in the UK, they’re treated the same as everyone else, which seems a fairer way of doing things to me. When you’re used to privilege, the equality of others feels like oppression, but it really isn’t.

As for “trans people can’t participate in this forum”, how ridiculous. It’s a forum, anyone can, but what you mean is - what with it being a women’s rights forum - you hear things you don’t like. Sorry the world doesn’t revolve around you

Please report any slurs and any transphobia to the mods. If the posts remain, that is a sign that the professionally trained moderation team don’t agree that what you have reported meets your personal criteria of being a ‘sour’ or of being ‘transphobic’.

Disagreeing that humans can change sex and that any male person should access female single sex provisions is not transphobic. Abusing the women who are discussing their collective needs can be considered an act of misogyny though.

How will we sleep at night?

A women's board talking about women's equality not including, one second, checks notes... uh, men.

What a tragedy. * *

And how exactly does one change their sex? Do you know what a person's sex is or where you might find it?

They are fully free to participate, but this part of MN is centred around women and girls.

OP is full of bravado against the nasty women on several other threads tonight.

So OP has well and truly proven that 'anti-trans' = pro-women.
And to be pro-trans = anti-women.

Just as well that the anti-women groups are failing and feminism is winning.

This is such a helpful thread, thanks for starting it OP. I didn’t realise you could donate to Sex Matters from as little as £5/month, I’m going to sign up for that.