Inside the DHSC’s secret courtship of anti-trans lobby groups

Bee it probably is painful when you encounter material reality, especially if you spend a lot of time in places like Reddit where collective delusion reigns supreme. If you are 'true trans' then you know that you are likely detested by many of the same TRAs who hate women so much. Ironically this is probably the closest you'll ever come to experiencing oppression from other men.

It absolutely is a rights movement - a men's sexual rights movement to be exact.

And I for one will be fighting against it every step of the way.

Actually oppressed and frightened groups as opposed to fantasty oppressed groups, do not usually turn to violent means at all, never mind waving around threatening posters, peeing everywhere, shouting and screaming in front of police, chalking obscene messages, and thumping people. While having sympathetic journalists, MPs, the BBC and other challenged channels carefully pose them in a fasely positive light and cover up the nasty bits for the purposes of positive propaganda.

If they were an actually oppressed group they'd be suppressed and arrested as soon as they put a toe out of line. You know, like women are. And would be afraid to push or be in the wrong place in case of actual (not fantasy or fetishised) physical danger from someone with more power than them. Like women are. And would have coverage of their issues intentionally hidden and silenced by press and politics. Like women do.

There's a whole lot of ranting about the terrors of men going into male spaces, and most of it is because there is a real risk of another man physically retaliating to provocation. Women you can generally harass without getting hurt. And boy don't many of these men love reminding us.

The rights movements that I have been familiar with, and have supported and even participated in, started out with years of patiently setting out political arguments, then peaceful demonstrations, and it wasn't until peaceful demos were met with batons and bullets that they turned to violent means.
The TRM went straight to violent rhetoric and even actual violence.

This is the point. The Trans Rights Movement is the first activist movement whose definition of "rights" comprises the removal of existing rights from another group. It isn't said often enough and it's astonishing to me that it has gained support.

I go by the Dolezal rule.. would it be ok if Rachel Dolezal (the universally condemned "Transracial" woman) we're doing it / demanding it?
It gives a very narrow acceptability to transgender identifiers as it should. If anything TG is worse than TR. We don't see one race almost universally stronger with a history of extreme one-sidedness in violent sexual crime (one side victimized)

I've read the transphobia glossary and basically it declares that everything is transphobic other than total affirmation and capitulation to trans demands. Since that is never going to happen, you'll just have to resign yourselves to living in a country where you have as many civil rights as everyone else, but no more. If you don't like it you are of course to free to move to any country which will accept you.

To be fair, bee has said that their issue is men who want to be seen as women have more rights in other countries than they do here.

What bee means is that women in other countries do not have single sex protections as they do here. In bees mind, taking away womens rights to single sex spaces is giving men who want to be women equal rights.

Just as in bees mind, tucking while posing in front of a mirror is taking 'measures to change sex'.

But sex can't be changed, Bee. It's binary, dimorphic and immutable. The most you can do is to change your gender presentation and where sex-based rights like single-sex spaces, services and sports are concerned, biology trumps gender every time.

What trans people do have are the same civil rights as the rest of the population, no more and no less.

No one ever answers that.

We've asked and asked and asked what rights trans people don't have in the UK and answer comes there none.

Quite, @soupycustard

The legal position is that
Trans people have:

1. Exactly the same rights as every other human being in the UK

1. The 'extra' rights against discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment under the Equality Act.

It's genuinely disgusting

Totally agree. The lack of shame is astounding.

This.

I used to find the gobsmackingly appalling use of actual real people's suffering and these horrific historic events as part of infantile footstamping really quite upsetting. But it's so frequent and so very overdone that I'm down to weary disgust.

It's not like any of them have the faintest idea what they're talking about when they do it, or care. Other people's lives aren't a part of the Planet of Me, it's just words and drama to be thrown around in the cause of 'do what I say' and 'me want it'.

They also like to weaponise female infertility "aha so if being female is about production of gametes and childbirth you're saying that infertile women aren't proper women eh???eh?"

as an infertile woman no GC feminist has ever said that to me but plenty of TRA have used it to suggest I'm not a woman

with which of course they can fuck off!

Yep. The Holocaust has been done, so back to the KKK it is.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that the trans lobby won’t appropriate.

One might say the op is having a Pikachu moment of their own, if one was so inclined.

It is beyond insulting, and borderline racist, to liken women ensuring their rights as an oppressed group discussing the impact of things like self ID on those rights, to the KKK being consulted on race policy regarding an oppressed group.

What an extraordinarily ignorant and offensive comment to make. The oppression and intimidation, sometimes resulting in violent death, of ethnic minorities is not your pain with which to make a spurious point based on false equivalency. Have a word with yourself OP.

I was blocked by H from Steps on Twatter on my first day, without even posting anything!

He certainly is a cast iron, copper bottomed, gold plated, weapons grade trans zealot.

Nope. I stand by my Steps dance moves.

And if the lyrics would piss off H, so much the better.

Absolutely.

H from Steps would have conniptions at those lyrics. He's a 24 carat 6 cylinder wazzock genderist.