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Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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ickky · 02/10/2025 12:20

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

Tribunal Tweets coverage here

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kelly-vs-leonardo-uk-ltd

Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

Kelly vs Leonardo UK Ltd

Tribunal will consider workplace toilet provision

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kelly-vs-leonardo-uk-ltd

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NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/10/2025 15:48

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 15:42

I love her so much I can't articulate it!

Same! I am sat in a puddle of wires as I have been frantically testing all the speakers I can find to amplify the joy as far as possible. Make sure you zoom and position the South West area of your screen centrally for optimum squirm viewing.

ProudWomanXX · 02/10/2025 15:47

If she needs him back to continue XX tomorrow, he's going to such a crap night tonight.

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 15:47

He's gone oh so quiet

BigSondsPieceBox · 02/10/2025 15:47

ThatPithySheep · 02/10/2025 15:45

May I just say how much I love your username

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Inspired by our own, dear Fifer 😍

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 15:47

From TT

NC - matters and sex doesn't for practical purposes
AL - yes
NC - looking at glossary of terms on L intranet, seen before?
AL - no
NC - please glance through it.
J - clarification - currently on intranet?
NC - taken from intranet, will ask witness
ST - C says it was removed

GCITC · 02/10/2025 15:47

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 02/10/2025 15:44

What question did he ask NC? 😂

He asked whether they would be able to ask the question (of what someone's biological sex is)

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 15:46

God she's going to give him nightmares tonight.

At 3am tomorrow he is going to be stood in his pjs in his kitchen questioning his life choices

CriticalCondition · 02/10/2025 15:46

GCITC · 02/10/2025 15:44

NC - I ask the questions so I won't be answering yours.

She's on fire.

Oh, this is fabulous. She's just warming up.

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 15:46

From TT

NC - and get a truthful answer
AL - would we be able to ask that question
NC - the nature of this is I ask the questions
AL - (can't hear)
NC - 194 bundle - b4 i ask you understand there is debate between 2 views, GC acknowledges sex is real and matters and GI theory says GI

ThatPithySheep · 02/10/2025 15:45

BigSondsPieceBox · 02/10/2025 15:44

NC requiring straight answers is GLORIOUS

May I just say how much I love your username

ThirdDesk · 02/10/2025 15:45

GCITC · 02/10/2025 15:44

NC - I ask the questions so I won't be answering yours.

She's on fire.

Isn't she magnificent

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 15:44

From TT

AL - I can understand that's a view taken
NC - it's not dignified to have to wipe m colleagues urine off before using the toilet
AL - can't talk to that
NC - data for L is all self ID gender
AL - yes
NC - you don't know how many staff are M or F

AL - collect data on gender
NC - I think you are agreeing you don't know how many are bio M or bio F
AL - can argue that
NC - it's a yes or no
AL - ?
NC - isn't not collecting sex data an indicator L doesn't care about sex
AL - we collect the data...
NC - impossible to ask sex

GCITC · 02/10/2025 15:44

NC - I ask the questions so I won't be answering yours.

She's on fire.

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 15:44

NC I ask the questions and you answer them

In Love Hearts GIF by Looney Tunes World of Mayhem
IDareSay · 02/10/2025 15:44

This has been worth the wait!

Mmmnotsure · 02/10/2025 15:44

Oh, Naomi. Straight in. 💜

I could almost feel sorry for....No. Can't.

KittyWilkinson · 02/10/2025 15:44

Phew! Just catching up. Thanks Myrtle, Icky and all.

This bloke sounds like so many puffed-up-promoted-beyond-their-ability-eejits we have all had the misfortune to encounter.

Go NC!

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 02/10/2025 15:44

What question did he ask NC? 😂

BigSondsPieceBox · 02/10/2025 15:44

NC requiring straight answers is GLORIOUS

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 15:43

NC Leonardo doesn't care very much.

Said about monitoring sex

GCITC · 02/10/2025 15:43

NC "No point in arguing, it's just a yes, yes?"

Burn!

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 15:42

From TT

AL - cleanliness an issue
NC - because of what I said?
AL - probably
NC - so urinals would help as would keeping M and F separate>
AL - keeping on right side of legal advice we were given
NC - not consistent with F dignity to use toilets with m colleagues urine on seat and floor

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 15:42

I love her so much I can't articulate it!

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 15:42

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 15:39

Not just any old bean tin, though, a bean tin produced by
Leonardo - a global security company that realises multi-domain technological capabilities in Aerospace, Defence, and Security

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And you're not supposed to be able to hear him - the Leonardo bean-tin has high-level encryption😁

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 15:41

From TT

AL - ce higher priority than GN, small number
NC - saying can be disregarded
AL - no just prioritiies
NC - M staff neutral on it, F negative, cleanliness men neutral, F v negative. Reasons quite obvious, men don't always aim straight or lift seat.

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