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Consultation on future access to the Hampstead Heath Bathing Ponds - Closes 25 November 2025

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IwantToRetire · 30/09/2025 18:57

The City of London Corporation has launched a public consultation to help inform future access arrangements at Hampstead Heath’s Bathing Ponds.

The consultation invites feedback from pond users, the local community, and stakeholders on how the Kenwood Ladies’, and Highgate Men’s ponds should operate in the future.

The consultation is open until 12:00 on Tuesday 25 November 2025.

https://hampstead-heath-bathing-ponds.commonplace.is/

Opened today and I found out via an Irish newspaper!

I know there is an existing thread about legal challenge but thought it good to have the news of the consultation being open as a thread title.

Future access to the Hampstead Heath Bathing Ponds

Inviting feedback from pond users, the local community, and stakeholders on how the Kenwood Ladies’, and Highgate Men’s ponds should operate in the future.

https://hampstead-heath-bathing-ponds.commonplace.is

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WittyLimeBiscuit · 02/10/2025 08:32

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 30/09/2025 20:00

I don't see the point of participation in a consultation as the last one was more bent than spaghetti junction. The questions will be spun and biased to get the predetermined male dominance answers, it will be brigaded by TRAs who will not have to find it advertised in an Irish newspaper hidden in an unused toilet behind a sign saying 'beward of the leopard', and all the unwanted answers that say anything terrible such as 'women have access needs and rights too' will be binned.

The court case will take place in reality as opposed to Lala Land, this is probably some attempt to demonstrate how there's no women actually wanting rights in this survey they carefully fiddled.

They won't dare to repeat that farce — though the handmaidens of the Kenwood Ladies Pond Association have emailed members to say there will be 'safeguards' to ensure the consultation isn't 'flooded' with orchestrated/multiple responses.
It's definitely worth responding as it's possible the City of London Corporation is looking for cover to placate the activists when they are forced to restore single-sex ponds

QuornPlaster · 02/10/2025 06:12

Are COL looking to change the charter? Creating 3 mixed sex ponds which they can rebrand as trans inclusive - as a way around the law?

Using this & previous ‘consultations’ as proof of the need to modernise.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2025 05:55

Kuretake · 01/10/2025 11:27

I think they'll all go mixed sex which is such a shame. I don't live locally anymore but I used to swim in the ladies pond several times a week, it was so good for my mental health.

As the EHRC have stated in their guidance this would potentially be discriminatory. Sex matters or someone else would definitely challenge this in court.

sashh · 02/10/2025 04:17

Davros · 30/09/2025 20:30

I live very locally and I haven’t seen anything about this. I will be responding of course. How they can say that trans men can go in the men’s pond I do not know. It’s just lies

I've filled it in.

They asked me about my experience at the men's pond. I said I had no experience as it was for men and I'm not one.

IwantToRetire · 02/10/2025 01:10

Has this been posted - haven't had time to read this thread today.

Councillors have doubled down on their insistence that men who identify as women are welcome at the Ladies’ Pond in Hampstead
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/2afedf66640d7aa8

‘I was sunbathing topless when I heard a male voice’: The trans row over women-only swimming

Councillors have doubled down on their insistence that men who identify as women are welcome at the Ladies’ Pond in Hampstead

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/2afedf66640d7aa8

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Contemporaneouslyagog · 02/10/2025 00:20

I also added in the comments that they will not be able to know about the many women who self exclude because of the trans inclusion policy

Kuretake · 01/10/2025 20:09

Rhaidimiddim · 01/10/2025 20:04

How does one go about initiating a judicial review to force compliance? Does any one know?

Wouldn't it have to be someone bringing an equality act claim?

Rhaidimiddim · 01/10/2025 20:04

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 19:53

It doesn't matter how many trans identifying men and handmaidens write in saying they support trans inclusion, or how many bigoted women's responses they put in the bin.

It's not Strictly Come Dancing, the public doesn't get to vote.

They just have to obey the law. It's that simple.

How does one go about initiating a judicial review to force compliance? Does any one know?

akkakk · 01/10/2025 18:30

Thank you for posting that link - I thoroughly enjoyed filling that in with blunt answers about trans women not being men and therefore not being allowed in the women's spaces etc.

I particularly enjoyed the end bit when it asked who you were replying as and I was able to tick other and when it asked me for my organisation I put City of London - and role - Liveryman and Citizen of the City of London 😁

It doesn't harm for the staff to remember that there is a wide umbrella of people involved in the running of the City - as Livery we elect the Sheriffs and Lord Mayor.

hallouminatus · 01/10/2025 18:04

LeftBoobGoneRogue · 01/10/2025 17:06

I’ve filled it in.
So many EDI questions but at least it asked about your sex, not just gender.

About 12 EDI questions. Every one of them has the option "prefer not to say" except, strangely, the question about sexual orientation. I wonder why you're not allowed to prefer not to declare your sexual orientation?
And although you can "prefer not to say" your gender, "none" is not an option.

moto748e · 01/10/2025 17:15

I've got spices in my cupboard older than that.

And you're prepared to admit that on MN? Brave woman! 😀

LeftBoobGoneRogue · 01/10/2025 17:06

I’ve filled it in.
So many EDI questions but at least it asked about your sex, not just gender.

Hermiaxx · 01/10/2025 13:29

Completed! I don’t care if they publish my responses (although I’m not sure I was as eloquent as @MissScarletInTheBallroom - though we had the same answers to the questions 😉!)

I’d love to use the ladies pond if it was a female only space.

Owly11 · 01/10/2025 12:14

I have checked the guidelines on the website and it says that some consultations will be private but even if they are not there will be no identifying information published with it unless it is a planning application so hopefully it should be ok. As a precaution I have emailed support asking them to make my comments private.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 01/10/2025 12:12

Contemporaneouslyagog · 01/10/2025 10:54

I ticked the box for publish, I'm at the do not care stage now. It's definitely there to put women off completing and I've had enough, if we all do it there's nothing to worry about.
I also write my usual essay at the gender question saying that I don't have a gender as I don't believe in a repressive ideology based on stereotypes .

Same here. I'm self employed and old enough to no longer give a shit, so filled in the whole thing.

Kuretake · 01/10/2025 12:10

SirEctor · 01/10/2025 11:57

That would be so disproportionate that I instinctively feel they'd be opening themselves up to other challenges there. But I'm not a lawyer so what do I know.

I just can't see what the alternative is given they are absolutely wedded to it being trans inclusive. Any other solution will be in breach of the equality act.

ThreeWordHarpy · 01/10/2025 11:58

For iPhone/apple users, they offer the option called “hide my email” where they generate a random email address that Apple forwards to your usual address. Allows you to be totally anonymous. Not sure if Google and others offer a similar service but worth finding out.

SirEctor · 01/10/2025 11:57

Kuretake · 01/10/2025 11:27

I think they'll all go mixed sex which is such a shame. I don't live locally anymore but I used to swim in the ladies pond several times a week, it was so good for my mental health.

That would be so disproportionate that I instinctively feel they'd be opening themselves up to other challenges there. But I'm not a lawyer so what do I know.

Owly11 · 01/10/2025 11:34

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 01/10/2025 11:13

If you don't press on the email link to publish, do they still take your answers into consideration? It wasn't totally clear on the survey.

The email I got seemed to say that my responses wouldn’t be part of the survey unless I confirmed I was genuine by clicking the link. Then I got taken to a profile where it said my comments were being moderated and weren’t yet visible. The problem is my email address is basically my name and job so I am fucked if they link my comments to my email publicly.

Kuretake · 01/10/2025 11:27

I think they'll all go mixed sex which is such a shame. I don't live locally anymore but I used to swim in the ladies pond several times a week, it was so good for my mental health.

BusyFrizzyLizzie · 01/10/2025 11:17

Once you submit your comment (i.e. publish) the acknowledgement page says

Thank you for your interest in Public Consultation on Hampstead Heath Bathing Ponds
Thanks for your contribution! It is not currently possible to view respondents' comments on this engagement.

So I don't think the comments are visible.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 01/10/2025 11:13

If you don't press on the email link to publish, do they still take your answers into consideration? It wasn't totally clear on the survey.

Contemporaneouslyagog · 01/10/2025 10:54

I ticked the box for publish, I'm at the do not care stage now. It's definitely there to put women off completing and I've had enough, if we all do it there's nothing to worry about.
I also write my usual essay at the gender question saying that I don't have a gender as I don't believe in a repressive ideology based on stereotypes .

maltravers · 01/10/2025 10:22

If you leave out postcode will they ignore the response as coming from a non Londoner? I am also worried about giving details for them to “publish”. Maybe they know this is a deterrent to GCs, sounds crazy, but no more crazy than men becoming women.

LittleBitofBread · 01/10/2025 10:18

Done. They are VERY slippery on the issue of there being a mixed pond. I reminded them of its existence on every page.

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