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potpourree · 29/09/2025 21:38

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:30

FUCKING HELL>

'...in society, boys are generally expected to be unemotional, strong, attracted to girls, sporty and to conform to ideals of masculine physical attractiveness. Girls are generally expected to be nurturing, emotional, helpful, attracted to boys, and to conform to ideals of feminine physical attractiveness.'

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/7/

WHO WROTE THIS PISH

... and if you don't, children, your body is wrong.

They're spelling out what we all knew this was based on and they kept feebly denying.

Thingybob · 29/09/2025 21:37

Thingybob · 29/09/2025 21:34

Based on a 2012 study of 433 individuals. Travers R, Bauer G, Pyne J, Bradley K, for the Trans PULSE Project: Gale L, Papadimitriou M (2012)

A survey of 433 Trans identifying people done 13 years ago in Ontario, Canada. None were under 16 and only 83 were between 16 and 24

Correction, 123 were considered trans youth.

https://transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdf

https://transpulseproject.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Impacts-of-Strong-Parental-Support-for-Trans-Youth-vFINAL.pdf

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:37

Oh, some more 'resources'.

'LGBT Youth Scotland
Scotland’s national charity for LGBTI young people, works with 13–25 year olds across the country. Their website includes resources, services and support for transgender young people (including online support). They support schools through the LGBT Schools Charter programme and provide training on supporting and including transgender young people. www.lgbtyouth.org.uk

Scottish Trans Alliance
Assists transgender people, service providers, employers and equality organisations to engage together to improve gender identity and gender reassignment equality, rights and inclusion in Scotland. Their website includes a wide range of information including links to support groups for parents. www.scottishtrans.org

Stonewall Scotland
Deliver training, produce resources and develop membership programmes to empower teachers and education professionals to tackle homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in
schools and colleges. www.stonewallscotland.org.uk

Time for Inclusive Education (TIE)
A Scottish charity that aims to combat homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in schools with LGBT-inclusive education. They provide a range of services, from teacher training to year group assemblies and various workshops. They also offer resources on cross curricular inclusion with a focus on LGBT History (Moments), LGBT role models (Icons) and a resource on LGBT groups in schools. www.tie.scot

Mermaids
UK wide charity that supports children, young people, and their families and works to raise awareness about gender nonconformity in children and young people. www.mermaidsuk.org.uk'

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:35

'The Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991
This Act states that a child of 12 and over is presumed to have sufficient capacity to instruct a solicitor, to sue on their own behalf and consent to their own medical treatment, and to enter into transactions usual for a child of that age.'

Thingybob · 29/09/2025 21:34

Based on a 2012 study of 433 individuals. Travers R, Bauer G, Pyne J, Bradley K, for the Trans PULSE Project: Gale L, Papadimitriou M (2012)

A survey of 433 Trans identifying people done 13 years ago in Ontario, Canada. None were under 16 and only 83 were between 16 and 24

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:33

'Article 16 ensures a child's right to privacy. If a young person comes out as transgender there is no immediate need to inform their parents or others. '

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:32

'A trans boy is likely to be distressed about being seen as female. They are likely to assert a male gender identity consistently and persistently. The prospect of going through female puberty, especially breast-growth and menstruation, is often traumatic.
This is different from a girl who some people might describe as a 'tomboy' because she enjoys rough, noisy activities or the clothes or toys traditionally associated with boys.'

Honest to Christ.

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:30

FUCKING HELL>

'...in society, boys are generally expected to be unemotional, strong, attracted to girls, sporty and to conform to ideals of masculine physical attractiveness. Girls are generally expected to be nurturing, emotional, helpful, attracted to boys, and to conform to ideals of feminine physical attractiveness.'

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/7/

WHO WROTE THIS PISH

Supporting Transgender Pupils In Schools Guidance for Education Authorities and Schools – Revised

Revised guidance for schools on supporting transgender pupils

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/7/

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:29

And those 'sources of information and support? '

  • Transparentsees: groups for parents, carers and other family members of trans people: Home | TransparenTsees
  • Mermaids: a UK-wide organisation which works to reduce isolation and loneliness for parents and young people dealing with gender issues and to empower families and young people: www.mermaidsuk.org.uk, support line : 0808 801 0400

Home | TransparenTsees

https://www.transparentsees.scot/

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:28

'Good practice

  • If the young person has not told their family, school staff may want to discuss the most likely reaction with the young person. This will allow the teacher and the young person to discuss whether sharing information is in the young person’s best interests, and if so, what information to share and with whom.
  • Offer to arrange a meeting with parents or carers; agree this with the young person in advance of the meeting and mutually agree key information to be shared in the discussion and by whom.
  • Listen to the concerns of parents and carers without judging them; respond to concerns calmly; and correct any misconceptions.
  • The Getting it right for every child approach will keep the young person and parents at the centre of any consideration of wellbeing; and, the identification and agreement of responses and support. Parents and carers may need time to come to terms with what their child has told them. Teachers can help by letting them know about sources of information and support (see below).
If a teacher is concerned about the home environment or the safety of a young person, they should follow the school's child protection policy and procedures for recording and/or acting on such concerns.'
ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:24

Page 3:

'A transgender young person may not have told their family about their gender identity. Inadvertent disclosure could cause needless stress for the young person or could put them at risk and breach legal requirements. Therefore, it is best to not share information with parents or carers without considering and respecting the young person’s views and rights'

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/3/

Page 4:

'Attempted suicide

  • 4% - Trans youth with supportive parents
  • 57% - Trans youth with unsupportive parents

Based on a 2012 study of 433 individuals. Travers R, Bauer G, Pyne J, Bradley K, for the Trans PULSE Project: Gale L, Papadimitriou M (2012).'

Good fucking god. That is the most careless and irresponsible thing I've read in a while, and it is put out by the fucking GOVERNMENT?!

I wonder what Lewis Appleby would say about this.

Supporting Transgender Pupils In Schools Guidance for Education Authorities and Schools – Revised

Revised guidance for schools on supporting transgender pupils

https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/pages/3/

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:18

WRN thread in full:

'The Guidance does refer to UK Supreme Court (sex = bio sex) but it still lets children and young people self-ID as the opposite "gender" It lets boys use girls’ spaces like changing rooms etc. This violates the Equality Act & girls’ rights to dignity privacy & safety.

There is no evidence for “Transgender" children and young people The guidance assumes they can be “trans” it ignores evidence from the Cass Review which says gender distress in children & young people is often linked to autism trauma etc Labelling children and young people as “trans” risks locking them into a path to medical harm

It still pushes social transition it encourages name/pronoun changes as young as primary school. Cass warned this can cement identity children may outgrow, raising distress & medicalisation risks. Guidance ignores this, still using biased stories like "I Am Jazz" as reference points

It continues to undermine parents It says it involves parents but lets children and young people block info-sharing This pits schools against families, risks labelling parents & could lead to child protection overreach but ultimately it encourages the lack of a safeguarding approach

It creates frees speech & safeguarding risks. It allows staff to hide a child’s sex to avoid “outing.” This clashes with safeguarding & Equality Act transparency. This creates a culture of lies in schools and the wider community and requires everyone to comply. Failure to maintain the lie could lead to sanctions for children parents & teachers

It still relies on biased Sources It relies on groups like Mermaids & LGBT Youth Scotland, with histories of safeguarding issues. It still uses biased stories like I Am Jazz as reference points Ignores Cass’s call for evidence-based approaches. It continues to promote an ideology

This Guidance continues to push unproven affirmation over law, evidence, & children & young people's well-being. It continues to promote confusion, & harm. The guidance should be withdrawn it is not fit for purpose'

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:15

MorrisZapp · 29/09/2025 19:40

Gilruth is a fucking disgrace.

She always has a look like she's acting the part of a baddie in a film.

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 21:15

This is about far more than blooming toilets!

This is the updated Schools Guidance from the Scotgov.

https://x.com/WRNScotland/status/1972707992551252101

'The Scottish Gov’s new transgender pupil guidance (Sep 2025) has been published https://gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-pupils-schools-guidance-education-authorities-schools-revised/, but it’s flawed

It still promotes gender ideology
It still defies the law
Ignores evidence
Risks child welfare
Ignores Safeguarding
Here’s why it remains a problem.'

WRN Scotland (@WRNScotland) on X

🧵The Scottish Gov’s new transgender pupil guidance (Sep 2025) has been published https://t.co/LIUiDo7Uuq, but it’s flawed It still promotes gender ideology It still defies the law Ignores evidence Risks child welfare Ignores Safeguarding Here’s w...

https://x.com/WRNScotland/status/1972707992551252101

TomorrowisThursday · 29/09/2025 19:58

So i.e. they can't have unisex toilets for sure. But still seems open to transgender students to use their preferred facilities...

TomorrowisThursday · 29/09/2025 19:57

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2025 19:00

It's easily missed:

"Separate toilet facilities for boys and girls must be provided in schools. Schools are also required to provide accessible facilities for young people with a disability"

"As the law stands, the facilities require to be made available on the basis of biological sex"

That's not the same as banning transgender students from their preferred toilets/changing room. Weasle wording.

That doesn't seem to be in the policy; the converse is implied.

Or course it's illogical but that's what's been going on with "same sex" hospital wards.

MorrisZapp · 29/09/2025 19:40

Gilruth is a fucking disgrace.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2025 19:04

Hoardasurass · 29/09/2025 19:02

Yes and all the advice after that is basically how to ignore it

Yep.

A very grudging minor change to the guidance. It's almost as if they didn't really want to the change the guidance, and want to make it as easy as possible to circumvent Hmm

SirEctor · 29/09/2025 19:04

As the law stands (and we really wish it didn't and hope it won't for much longer, but it seems we really can't get out of this...)

It really is very regrettable that women and girls have rights.

Hoardasurass · 29/09/2025 19:02

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2025 19:00

It's easily missed:

"Separate toilet facilities for boys and girls must be provided in schools. Schools are also required to provide accessible facilities for young people with a disability"

"As the law stands, the facilities require to be made available on the basis of biological sex"

Yes and all the advice after that is basically how to ignore it

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2025 19:00

TomorrowisThursday · 29/09/2025 18:56

I read it up to the toilets bit and it doesn't seem to say "use must be based on biological sex". The opposite in fact it suggests discussing with "transgender" children which they prefer to use...

Can anyone clarify please?

It's easily missed:

"Separate toilet facilities for boys and girls must be provided in schools. Schools are also required to provide accessible facilities for young people with a disability"

"As the law stands, the facilities require to be made available on the basis of biological sex"

TomorrowisThursday · 29/09/2025 18:59

I.e some copied...

Recommended practice, following the considerations above includes:

Asking the young person about the facilities that they wish to use and if they have any worries
Respecting the young person's gender identity
Creating a plan with the young person, outlining what can happen and when
Planning discussions should consider:

ensuring appropriate arrangements are made for the provision of, and disposal of, sanitary products
whether there are toilet and changing facilities available within the school which may afford extra privacy, if this is requested
where facilities are limited, and if a young person needs additional privacy, whether they could access a staff facility without compromising their privacy or the privacy of staff members

In fact it seems to require "young person raises a concern regarding sharing facilities with a transgender young person and it is established that they will experience disadvantage as a result, then the school should seek to respect the rights of all. To do this the school should seek to come to an arrangement, to accommodate everyone involved, after discussion and consideration of options available."

Seems to suggest they can use their preferred facilities...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2025 18:58

I've skimmed the whole thing now. It's appears to have a few grudging sentences regarding the requirements for SS spaces and the definition of sex. Still using all the dodgy stats, recommending poor practice re social transition and signposting to Mermaids...

TomorrowisThursday · 29/09/2025 18:56

I read it up to the toilets bit and it doesn't seem to say "use must be based on biological sex". The opposite in fact it suggests discussing with "transgender" children which they prefer to use...

Can anyone clarify please?

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