Youth Hostels Association placing men in women's dorms.

Oh my god how utterly disgusting

So if a woman objects to having a man in their dorm, then will they provide that single room at the same cost? Glad my hostelling days are over.

Ah yes, the "inclusivity policy" which is actually exclusive as some women will self-exclude

Whereas what it should say is that transmen are welcome, because they after all are women.

Not sure as they aren't a service provider but a commercial company.

And they dont reference the EA and it is within the use of that that the word woman is now confirmed to be based on biological sex.

Dont want to derail this thread as it comes up over and over again, but if they just said up front for women and trans women (and not claiming any part of the EA) what would the challenge be?

Except maybe a man who says he is being excluded when other men are allowed in.

Ah yes, the "inclusivity policy" which is actually exclusive as some women will self-exclude

How do they stand now with this after the SCR?

Slightly off topic - or maybe not - I remembered an article promoting a new women's hostel in London, and thought that's interesting.

So have just checked the web site, and not exactly hidden, but if you weren't looking for it you wouldn't know it is trans inclusive.

Sigh.

https://www.hostelle.co.uk/

I know which one I'll be booking
Fair enough i wouldn't pay that much either! Ive never been to London. The last Generator i went to was in Berlin a couple of years ago.

Not Youth Hostel Association but we used 4 bedroom family rooms in hostels all over Europe and has really good inexpensive holidays particularly in expensive countries like Iceland and Switzerland.

I've just checked Generator London for 4 nights on dates we want to go to London.

A private room for 2, but still with shared bathroom, is £116.70 a night, flexible rate, total £466.80.

A double room in the Travelodge we usually use, 15 minutes from Victoria, is £395.96 total, flexible rate, with its own en suite bathroom.

I know which one I'll be booking

Agree - it is amazing how many have got locked in the false queer politics use of the word gender. Which is a political tactic to undermine the reality that sex is a biological fact.

This is a hilariously misconceived post.

*This is one of the reasons I won’t stay in a hostel. You can’t guarantee your safety.
They usually have single rooms as well as dorms.
which cost more than a bed in dorms...

Obviously.

But ive always found them a good option and out of main seasons good value.

which cost more than a bed in dorms...

I’ve often booked three or four nights in a room for 2 as a single occupant, but months in advance during the week, out of school terms with 25% off. The dynamic pricing will price all but the most popular YHAs out of existence.

This is one of the reasons I won’t stay in a hostel. You can’t guarantee your safety.
They usually have single rooms as well as dorms.

Actually the title is sex based and has nothing to do with gender. See I refuse to submit to the gendered expectations placed on me due to my sex, I don't however refuse to acknowledge my sex, I just don't let it define me.

Edited to add:

Gender is a crock of shit, it's a word that's used to put women in their place. I just refuse to comply. I acknowledge biological differences between the sexes but that's on a biological reality.

Gosh! That was quite the scold!

I wonder, did the 'gender' of the 'scoldee' influence your scolding decision?

You literally have a gendered title as a username. Titles (like pronouns 😨) are often gendered signifiers and are as much part of societal gender as clothes or changing rooms or sexist expectations or anything else that is not pure biology, gender is how human society has learned to signify and perform biology. It is sensible to be think critically about gender, our current patriarchal society is a consequence of gender, however that is not the same thing as rejecting gender entirely.

Sorry for the rant but the way people bandy about the concept of being gender critical or rejecting gender while clearly not understanding what gender is or what any of that means is frustrating, I'd rather people at least be conscientiously hurtful than ignorantly as many people here are now.

I once went on a trip (not organised by me) where we had to stay in a refugio in the Sierra Nevada that was mixed - bathrooms, bedrooms, the lot. I know Europeans can be a bit more free and easy with the whole naturist thing but it was a nightmare. Plus I never want to be in that close a proximity to a late 50’s constipated man having a shit ever ever again.

I once stayed in a hostel (not yha) and it was mixed. The guy next to me was wanking all night. It was not pleasant. Ironically, I'd actually moved from the single room I'd booked there because I didn't feel safe as it was apart from the main building with a feeble lock. I would like to start hostelling again but this really puts me off.

Ffs

Dormitories are services where segregation by sex is a reasonable and proportionate means of achieving a legitimate objective. Gender identity is not a Protected Characteristic, so advertising that they segregate by gender, not sex, and then offering a lesser service to women, is surely illegal. It’s a lesser service because if women (or men, for that matter) want or need a single-sex room they must pay a premium to access the service. This policy also discriminates against religious people, if their faith bars them from sharing spaces with the opposite sex. And regardless whether we disagree with that position, faith is another Protected Characteristic.

They consulted organisations that follow Stonelaw, not UK law.

We were put in the same position in a SYHA 8-bed female dorm last year because the hostel overbooked. Male half of a hetero couple. Hostel asked if we minded him joining us and I and my friends said that in fact, yes, we did. I was irritated at being put in that position, frankly. They must have sorted some other solution because he didn't sleep in our dorm. His girlfriend was a bit put out, but it wasn't about him personally, it's about dignity and being about to let your guard down in an all-female space.

I think something that gets missed is how uncomfortable men can be sharing a dormitory with women. My sister and I were in a six bed female dormitory in torridon plus a couple of other women and because the hostel was very full they asked us if we minded if a man came in. Sure, fine, whatever. Not ideal but nor was camping in that weather and at least they asked. He was horrified and so upset and ill at ease I felt bad for him