Faith school where women are banned from wearing trousers becomes state funded

Yes I posted this! They are more likely to identify as white than anything else. I'm not sure what you're arguing here?

And yes, they know how I feel about them when I am giving them the holistic, individualised care that they require. That's why they request me again and again. That's why when I do have a stint in community, it is in our catchment area with the most Hasidic Jewish people. I'm currently involved in research looking at if and why this community have more successful rates of VBAC.

I have worked with Mavar to ensure that we understand how to help families who are OTD.

Honestly, you don't know what you are talking about at all.

You've no idea what people's heritage is or how they identify unless they tell you.

@LoftyRobinmost things you have said though are your opinion. A group of people who you seem to chose to work with or they ‘seek you out’ seem to bother you that much that you have come onto a thread about schooling to state they get preferential treatment and you consider their practices ‘full on’ when it’s a choice to send your children there (knowing what they will ask of you) I think it’s respectful if you are choosing to visit there for whatever reason.

it’s also- personally- the way you have chosen to say and frame things. If I knew someone has strong set religious beliefs would I complain when they were allowed to leave to adhere to those beliefs. Have you raised the fact you disagree? Nope. They aren’t flights of fancy they are things they have done their whole lives. And yet you seem to have written repeatedly why these things bother you- like the ‘white’ thing. It does smack of prejudice.

I am not the only one who has noticed it either. So what does that tell you? Is it the fact you think Muslims get a harder ride on this?

Do they know how you really feel about "them" though? Much better to save that for an anonymous internet forum.

And repeatedly spouting reductive opinions like Most Jewish people do identify as white, even when they could choose something other than white. That is proven by statistics to back up your own tropey prejudices about "white Jews" receiving special treatment belies a more complex reality in a country where the majority Jewish population is Ashkenazi. From the 2021 Census:

5.Reported ethnic groups and religions
Jewish ethnic group write-ins
People who identified as Jewish through ethnic group only were most likely to provide a write-in response under the high-level "White" group (54.9%). This was followed by the "Any other ethnic group" (33.6%). Just over one-tenth (10.5%) provided a write-in under "Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups". Lastly, 0.9% provided a write-in under "Black, Black British, Black Welsh, Caribbean or African: African".
Considering people who identified as Jewish through both religion and ethnic group, 49.6% provided a write-in under "Any other ethnic group" and 48.5% under the high-level "White" group.

Reported ethnic group for people who identified as Jewish through religion only
People who identified as Jewish through religion only were most likely to identify their ethnic group using the "White: English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British" tick-box (82.9%). Just over one-tenth (10.9%) provided a write-in response under "Any other White background".

If there was a specific "Jewish" tick box for ethnicity included on forms- which there mostly isn't- I wonder if the statistics would look quite different.

Well most Jewish people indeed identify as white as I have shown by data and we know that people who appear white get preferential treatment (do I need to post stats on racism here too?!) until they are known not to be white and/or Christian.

Regardless, I am not going to argue with anyone who has fully European heritage and sees themselves as white.

You've been going on about jews being 'white' and therefore getting preferential treatment to 'brown' people ( in your view).

She's right though, large parts of the Equality Act don't apply to schools. There are multiple exceptions listed in Chapter 6 and Schedule 11.

Yet I'm often requested as the midwife by both women and their birth supporters from the community. Who do you think I'll listen to? Them? Or some person on Mumsnet who can't be objective and refuses to listen to research?

Exactly.

Antisemitism my arse.

I really, really don't think you should be working very, very closely with any Jewish community or, in fact, at all.

I most certainly have not backtracked on anything. I do think it is wrong that hospitals often prioritise Jewish patients for discharge around Shabbos to the detriment of other patients. We do not do this for any other religious beliefs. Most Jewish people do identify as white, even when they could choose something other than white. That is proven by statistics.

Antisemitism isn't just calling out problems that occur in communities or every mention of grooming gangs would be islamophobia. We can see by the numerous threads on Muslims that is not seen that way on this site, so why would talking about what happens in Jewish communities, backed up by facts, qualify as such?

Yes telling visitors what to wear is full on. There is no 2 ways about it. Instructing visitors to dress in accordance with your religious beliefs is full on.

Trust me it’s really really not full on. What this school is asking parents to do is not wear v short skirts and to not wear sleeveless low cut tops. For the chukdren they want the girls in skirts. You can see for yourself on their website that the girls are wearing ankle socks and normal length skirts. Equally it’s a co-ed school. It bears not even the slightest resemblance to the ultra orthodox community you’re obviously familiar with.

It’s perfectly possible to disagree with the ethos of the school and to think that it’s silly but this is a mainstream primary school. The ultra orthodox wouldn’t even consider it Jewish much less send their kids there

@AMillionTomorrowsagreed and continuing to. Then backtracking when they think they have gone too far.

It’s thinly veiled unsemitism.

Tell me about the extent of Sharia law in this country.

So when there is a thread about Muslims and people bring up the extremes of Sharia, is that also totally unreasonable? This is an orthodox school that not only has extreme rules for children, it attempts to control how visitors are dressed on site. That is pretty full on.

No no, we work with an ultra orthodox community. They dont even push buggies on Shabbos. But it is clear that where health is an issue, you can break the rules of Shabbos. However, you dont usually need to do that by driving yourself due to firm links with local taxi companies. We have some numbers behind the desk in the wards in case people don't have them.

Getting home with your new baby would be counted as a health issue if there was seriously no other way you could take them home without driving. Most would liase with their rabbi first but as I said, it isnt necessary due to links with taxi firms and it is accepted this is how you leave the hospital on Shabbos. Staying longer than you need to is actually also wrong because you can be at more risk of infection etc by staying longer than you need to. So to balance the sanctity of life vs not performing labour on Shabbos, a taxi is seen as the most reasonable compromise.

We work very, very closely with hasidic communities to meet their needs.

Vindictive because you are purposely conflating your experiences with a very extreme religious sect with the entire Jewish community, on a thread about dress codes at a modern orthodox school which are nothing to do with the religious codes you have mentioned (tights for 3 year olds, brothers and sisters not touching). It has been pointed out to you more than once but you continue to refer to they and them as if you are talking about the same communities or about Jews in general. When a Jewish person has told you that attitudes like yours would make them withhold information about their ethnicity in a healthcare setting your response is to say “more fool you”. You are coming across as deeply unpleasant and anti semitic and if that makes you shrug or think anything about Jews in general it only confirms my suspicions.

You have also gone from saying bad behaviour from Jews (again not specifying the community) is tolerated because they are white, yet Jewish history shows that we have been persecuted for hundreds of years due to not being white enough.

Sharia Law needs to be purged from this country, for the safety of women and girls we need to fight back on every front.

Maybe it varies but my Orthodox friend wouldn't use transport on Shabbos even if the driver wasn't Jewish. I was told this even included getting someone unable to walk to Synagogue. Maybe that is at the extreme end of things, I have another Jewish friend who describes herself as a secular Jew so she isn't religious at all but follows some traditions, so a bit like people who aren't pracitcing Christian celebrating Christmas and Easter. She'd have no problem with driving or using a taxi on Shabbos.

I would hope the rule was breakable if someone needed to get to hospital if they are unwell, I'm not sure if getting home when you are well would always be considered health related.

I would imagine a busy hospital would want to make sure they could discharge people who no longer needed to be there.

Vindictive because I don't believe someone's religious beliefs should influence the care of other service users? Okay.

By saying that they statistically identify as white ? Okay.

Yes, it comes across as obsessive and vindictive.

I imagine the established 'laws of the land' rather than sharia law?

For someone who claims they are a professional you are posting in a very unprofessional way about your supposed client groups.

Anyway as the statistics clearly show, the majority of Jewish people perceive themselves as white and identify that way even when they have the option of describing their ethnicity as something other than white. This isn't a revelation of any kind. These statistics are easily found in public data. You may not agree with how other people identify but that is how they feel about themselves.