Faith school where women are banned from wearing trousers becomes state funded

Usually, it is the strong ethos and clear focus on the faith that brings the community together. I've always enjoyed cathoic schools for this reason, and the rhythm of the year with its round of feast days and festivals is very enjoyable too. It all seeks to create a strong moral framework for life.

Secular schools attempt to do this too...but it tends to be far more 'preachy', ironically and pretentious and forced. I've been in whole school assemblies such as this - and I honestly prefer the clarity and simplicity of an overtly faith based one more.

Secularism also tries to instil its own versions of morality onto people - with strong ideas about what is right and wrong.

They don’t want to wear an uncomfortably short skirt, they want to fit in. Can you really not tell the difference?

Thats not the case in Jewish schools. In fact, they try to stop Jewish kids from attending if they don't see them as Jewish.

https://app.croneri.co.uk/law-and-guidance/case-reports/r-application-e-v-governing-body-jfs-and-admissions-appeal-panel-jfs?product=183

https://www.jta.org/2008/02/12/default/jewish-school-accused-on-admissions

Tbf a lot of Muslim schools are not that new. The first were founded in the early 80s and by 2007 there were over 100.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2007/11924560572.html&ved=2ahUKEwiDtMfMh_uPAxVjd0EAHW7JOvUQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw33vxfkU3j6EkkOOvjymMZL

Agree both need focus.

This is surely hypothetical. Ofc there would need to be a good state system first.

It raises serious questions if secular schools are so much worse than religious ones. Why do you think Catholic/C of E are better? Better at getting good staff etc? Would you like to maybe say what you think gives then the edge?

I myself wouldn't support that either. A lot of these types of schools have not proved trustworthy...

So, I presume you'd like for the many thousands of Cof E and catholic schools to be closed down? Even though many parents actively like and choose them?
There would be few schools left in the city in which I live if you did this.

I used to be a teacher, and even though i'm not of a particular faith myself, I generally liked and preferred working in catholic schools, particularly. Also you'll find children of other faiths attend in quite large numbers for the same sorts of reasons.

Very much doubt it will enforce rules on visitors and we are constantly talking about these super Muslim schools that are very very new when we've had these illegal Jewish schools and the dodgy legal ones for decades. None of these schools should exist.

You seem to be trying to make a point about what you perceive as double standards when it comes to Jews ( because they are "white").

Where I live there is to be a new state funded Muslim girls school created shortly - due to demand for such a school. It will have an 'muslim' ethos and there will be strict uniform rules. You don't have to be muslim to apply, but you will have to accept its ethos and follow its rules.

If the school is state funded then yes, that is exactly what I want.

Yeah but that's not shared by all trans people though and it isn't written in any rule book. I dont see the point of trying to force trans issues on this one. The kids often have their educational and fictional books defaced to stop them learning Science or seeing "immodest" women. That's the priority here.

Due to Covid and the lockdown....a lot of people became very radicalised and started taking their children outside of mainstream education. Either homeschooling or setting up their own schools....a bit like those undocumented schools for Jewish boys - in poor conditions and with extreme curricula

I think it’s a real scandal that any faith school is state funded in the first place. When my kids were small our closet primaries were CofE and Catholic. Very nice schools but selective. The game was to start attending church when they were born to get them in. I refused to do this and my oldest was allocated a school in the other side of town, despite the schools being something like 95% council funded.
Anyway, aside from that, the fact that any school can mandate what people wear to this degree feels like a regressive and isolationist move. We seem to be heading more and more to a divided society, with communities able to separate and never mix, and away from the idea of an integrated one.
My grandfather grew up in a Jewish ghetto, his father was a Rabbi. Not Frum but normal orthodox.
He spoke no English when he started school but went, as all the neighbourhood kids did, to the local schools, learned English and lived normally in a mixed community (Temple on Saturdays etc).
I think he would be really surprised if still alive that we seem to have rolled backwards.

Very firm ideas about what males and females should wear or look like. TW often dress in hyper-sexualised or 'feminised' ways, for example.

Its illegal. It doesnt comply with discrimination rules. Fine if its private, do want you want but not if its state funded.

Good point - the dreadful stuff like that in schools now is just making it more likely that conservative religious people will seek out faith schools & grow more insular

Presumably they're not asking you to follow a strict dress code?

I'm Christian myself, I'm not intimidated by religion (and I doubt pps are) but I am however offended by people using any religion as a shield for sexism or other stuff like poor education. This particular case seems OK though

They do it because they want to. Not because there is a school rule saying they have to. Youre talking about peer pressure vs a rule stating that you or your mum cant a short skirt.

For instance, when the benefit fraud thing came out, more people were saying that what they do/did shouldn't be illegal than worrying about the fraud of it all.

Basically, they get a family member or friend to buy their house in their name and then they "rent" it to the couple (who secretly own it) and claim full housing benefit to pay off the mortgage.

They claim benefits because the man doesn't work, he studies religious text and gets a small allowance for doing so. The woman may work as a "teacher" and they often fiddle the wages paid to ensure it keeps within UC parameters, or likely a SAHM on full benefits. So yeah, they essentially get the benefit system to pay off their mortgage.

Thank you, sorry about that!

Surely trousers are more modest than skirts? They cant blow up on a windy day or reveal anything if the wearer has to climb a ladder or step into an akward space.

Lol, I've always wondered how they don't get grubby!

Sorry to be sharp, I misunderstood. Yes, ir will be harder to influence non-state schools.

Why do you think girls roll their skirts up? (And actually no, the little elasticated tube skirts don’t need rolling up). Do you think they feel they have a choice? Don’t you realise these peer-imposed dress codes are also misogynistic?

Where are these secular schools you keep talking about? Most of the UK just has non-denominational Christian schools.

Because we are a country with set values and many aspects of their lifestyle are simply not compatible with those values. We just choose to ignore it when it comes from some communities.