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Richard Dawkin's new book warns against denial of scientific truth by ‘astonishingly vicious’ trans activists and other threats on science

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IwantToRetire · 25/09/2025 18:02

In The War on Science, Dawkins joins several scientists and philosophers contending that academic freedom and truth in universities was being stifled by diversity, equity and inclusion policies that promoted falsehoods under the banner of social justice.

“I draw the line at the belligerent slogan ‘trans women are women’ because it is scientifically false,” he said. “When taken literally, it can infringe the rights of other people, especially women.

“It logically entails the right to enter women’s sporting events, women’s changing rooms, women’s prisons and so on.

“So powerful has this postmodern counter-factualism become, that newspapers refer to ‘her penis’ as a matter of unremarked routine.”

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/25/richard-dawkins-trans-women-slogan-scientifically-false/ and at https://archive.is/zAFxS

Richard Dawkin's new book warns against denial of scientific truth by ‘astonishingly vicious’ trans activists and other threats on science
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NotBadConsidering · 26/09/2025 12:47

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:24

Ive seen the Netflix show & that's false.

You can hear him say it himself if you like:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/caitlyn-jenner-at-chicago-house-event/62376/?amp=1

https://people.com/books/caitlyn-jenner-reveals-the-time-kendall-and-kylie-caught-bruce-dressed-as-a-woman-oh-my-god-whats-on-the-computer-screen/

Beowulfa · 26/09/2025 12:46

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:26

Of course. The obsessive focus is a distraction technique to stop talking about bi modal sex.

That's because your bimodal sex waffle is only meaningful to the type of men who wants to access women's spaces.

Meanwhile, the rest of the planet carries on knowing the sex binary is real and relevant.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:46

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:41

Remember, you can't believe it unless it's on Netflix 😂

Indeed!

However, if Howsa has the BIMODAL SEX chart sorted, it WILL be on Netflix! And the Beeb, and ABC, and CNN! It will be everywhere for decades to come!

I am so excited to finally see this chart and what it will be derived from. And the equation too.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 12:46

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:17

Are you suggesting cruelty is unhelpful now? Or this only applies when convenient? According to Greer offence is irrelevant.

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Again, your comprehension is lacking, offence and cruelty are not the same thing. You are willingly cruel, GG states facts that offend people who refuse to accept reality.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:41

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:39

Squee!!!

Lovely. Let’s see the bimodal sex model!!

Please be very clear about what exactly the chart is measuring on each of the axis. What is x and what is y measuring?

We are ready to see this finally solved! I think you should submit it for a Nobel prize, it will be the find of the century.

Remember, you can't believe it unless it's on Netflix 😂

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:39

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:26

Of course. The obsessive focus is a distraction technique to stop talking about bi modal sex.

Squee!!!

Lovely. Let’s see the bimodal sex model!!

Please be very clear about what exactly the chart is measuring on each of the axis. What is x and what is y measuring?

We are ready to see this finally solved! I think you should submit it for a Nobel prize, it will be the find of the century.

eatfigs · 26/09/2025 12:38

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:29

Its not a redefinition. Its fact that within species there's potential for biological variation. That this isn't in the service of reproduction is irrelevant.

It is a redefinition. Think about the question of how a biologist distinguishes between female and male in a newly-discovered species.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:36

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:30

Yeah & where's your evidence to the contrary?

😂😂

Maybe somewhere on Netflix? Or Cbeebies? Or BBC sport? 😂

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 12:35

Its not a redefinition. Its fact that within species there's potential for biological variation. That this isn't in the service of reproduction is irrelevant.

For evolution only reproduction matters.

Merrymouse · 26/09/2025 12:33

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:26

Of course. The obsessive focus is a distraction technique to stop talking about bi modal sex.

Sex is not bimodal.

I think you are referring to e.g. bimodal distribution of height, but height is not sex.

Kucinghitam · 26/09/2025 12:33

So, who should we believe...

I think the Righteous method is:

Who is on The Wrong Side of History? Everything they say is terrible and tainted.
Who is on The Right Side of History? Everything they say is wonderful.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:31

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:24

Ive seen the Netflix show & that's false.

But apparently, older people cannot be trusted in telling their truth.

So, who should we believe...

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:30

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:29

😂😂😂

Such intellectual insight

Yeah & where's your evidence to the contrary?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:29

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:24

Ive seen the Netflix show & that's false.

😂😂😂

Such intellectual insight

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:29

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:26

Of course. The obsessive focus is a distraction technique to stop talking about bi modal sex.

It was a topic you, personally, introduced today at 10:54.

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:29

eatfigs · 26/09/2025 12:13

Your redefinition of sex doesn't hold across all sexually reproducing species. For example, not all species have a chromosomal sex-determination system.

Consider: when a biologist discovers a new species where an initial analysis shows it reproduces sexually and has the female and male halves of the reproductive system embodied in distinct sets of individuals (that is, gonochorism) - how does she then figure out which are the females and which are the males?

Its not a redefinition. Its fact that within species there's potential for biological variation. That this isn't in the service of reproduction is irrelevant.

HouseOfGoldandBones · 26/09/2025 12:29

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 22:08

I'm saying that anti trans positions are politically expedient/'cleansing'. IE I'm 'questioning' his motives.

And I'm also questioning the motives of those that white wash rape apologists & bigots for their own political expediency.

You're questioning what motivation an evolutionary biologist would have for believing in scientific reality?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:28

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:24

So, let's see...

A poster claims that Dawkins expertise about evolutionary biology and how that impacts in life should be discounted because Dawkins may have expressed an opinion that may or may not be based on accurate insight.

That poster makes false claims and twists Germaine Greer's words and makes other false claims about her. And yet believes that they are righteous and people should consider their views.

Anyone else think this is a hypocritical position to hold?

In that fascinating piece you linked where she appeared at the Canberra Writers Festival in 2022 she was really on form. She could be talking about the emotionally incontinent transactivist currently drowning this thread with all manner of lies, obfuscations and misogynistic nonsense when she said:

"Mistrust me if I present myself as having them [the answers, she meant]".

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:27

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:23

What people say they are admitted to care for publicly & actually are aren't always the same. As I said it was widely rumoured to be dementia & given she was prone to spouting out of character nonsense like Jenner transitioned because she was jealous doesn't sound like her normal self.

Ahh.. so it is RUMOURED!

Based on an opinion she gave about a man who has claimed to be a woman. Yet, she has a long history of stating that male people cannot be female people and should not be accessing female single sex provisions.

And I also notice your use of 'spouting'.

The hate for women is showing again .....

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:26

Merrymouse · 26/09/2025 12:23

Neither the state of Germaine Greer's health nor her manners has any bearing on whether sex is binary.

Of course. The obsessive focus is a distraction technique to stop talking about bi modal sex.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:24

So, let's see...

A poster claims that Dawkins expertise about evolutionary biology and how that impacts in life should be discounted because Dawkins may have expressed an opinion that may or may not be based on accurate insight.

That poster makes false claims and twists Germaine Greer's words and makes other false claims about her. And yet believes that they are righteous and people should consider their views.

Anyone else think this is a hypocritical position to hold?

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:24

NotBadConsidering · 26/09/2025 12:17

Caitlyn Jenner admitted he came out as trans after getting caught on camera stealing his teenage daughters’ underwear.

Ive seen the Netflix show & that's false.

Greyskybluesky · 26/09/2025 12:24

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:23

What people say they are admitted to care for publicly & actually are aren't always the same. As I said it was widely rumoured to be dementia & given she was prone to spouting out of character nonsense like Jenner transitioned because she was jealous doesn't sound like her normal self.

There's that "widely rumoured" again...

Merrymouse · 26/09/2025 12:23

Neither the state of Germaine Greer's health nor her manners has any bearing on whether sex is binary.

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 12:23

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 12:18

Gosh.... look at this....

In 2022, Germaine Greer had a fall and was hospitalised. She couldn't appear in person at a Canberra Writer's event. An event that she would not have been invited to speak at if she was cognitively impaired. And apparently, she had fucking disappeared from public life too....

https://whisperinggums.com/tag/germaine-greer/

Any sign of that proof of a dementia diagnosis?

Should I do Howsa's usual and say "Still waiting.... " with emojis and all. That is the usual tactic, isn't it? The one that crossed over to bullying after so many repeats?

Fucking hell. The hate for women by some people really becomes clearer and clearer each day. And very multi-faceted.

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What people say they are admitted to care for publicly & actually are aren't always the same. As I said it was widely rumoured to be dementia & given she was prone to spouting out of character nonsense like Jenner transitioned because she was jealous doesn't sound like her normal self.