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Richard Dawkin's new book warns against denial of scientific truth by ‘astonishingly vicious’ trans activists and other threats on science

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IwantToRetire · 25/09/2025 18:02

In The War on Science, Dawkins joins several scientists and philosophers contending that academic freedom and truth in universities was being stifled by diversity, equity and inclusion policies that promoted falsehoods under the banner of social justice.

“I draw the line at the belligerent slogan ‘trans women are women’ because it is scientifically false,” he said. “When taken literally, it can infringe the rights of other people, especially women.

“It logically entails the right to enter women’s sporting events, women’s changing rooms, women’s prisons and so on.

“So powerful has this postmodern counter-factualism become, that newspapers refer to ‘her penis’ as a matter of unremarked routine.”

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/25/richard-dawkins-trans-women-slogan-scientifically-false/ and at https://archive.is/zAFxS

Richard Dawkin's new book warns against denial of scientific truth by ‘astonishingly vicious’ trans activists and other threats on science
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Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:51

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 16:46

Are you in super feminine mode?

I must be. Confusingly though, even when I wear trousers, I'm still a woman but Howsa graph with equations and stuff will hopefully solve this puzzle.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 16:46

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:41

I've laid out my favourite frocks already, not sure yet what I'll wear.

Are you in super feminine mode?

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 16:45

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 15:59

Well worth watching that clip from 2023. No sign of dementia there and she really doesn't look appreciably older than in the famous interview with Kirsty Wark in 2015.

Edited to add the link which didn't carry through in the quote.

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Apparently, we shouldn’t expect to be told the truth about people’s circumstances unless it appear on Netflix. People will omit saying they have dementia despite key speaker slots, international interviews etc. and they obviously have dementia because they described the motivation of a male person who publicly announced his new identity in 2015, 8 years after Keeping up with the Kardashians started, as wanting to have some of the limelight his daughters had.

Perish the thought that a male who has a public history of lying would be trusted because of what he says on Netflix . However a woman pointing out a rather accurate observation that has a high chance of being true is the one to be accused of having dementia!!!’

You really cannot write this shit. We get a new instalment everyday now. The plot twists are riveting but sickening.

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:44

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 16:42

Something with baby pink and blue surely?!

Of course :) makes a change from my usual green.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 16:42

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:41

I've laid out my favourite frocks already, not sure yet what I'll wear.

Something with baby pink and blue surely?!

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:41

lcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2025 16:37

I'm booking an appointment to get my hair and nails done.

I've laid out my favourite frocks already, not sure yet what I'll wear.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 16:41

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:40

Wiki can do the afterparty. I hope I'm invited, last person off the dancefloor usually.

Perfect 👍

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:40

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 16:37

Don’t forget Wikipedia!

Wiki can do the afterparty. I hope I'm invited, last person off the dancefloor usually.

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:38

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 16:29

Betterer and betterer!

Maybe tomorrow will be the auspicious day? I hope so!!! I am not sure I can keep the excitement going longer than that, I am getting old and it can’t be good for my heart to maintain this level of excitement for long.

It's going to be grand. We've waited so long for this.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2025 16:37

I'm booking an appointment to get my hair and nails done.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 16:37

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2025 12:36

😂😂

Maybe somewhere on Netflix? Or Cbeebies? Or BBC sport? 😂

Don’t forget Wikipedia!

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 16:29

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:15

We could ask Netflix to sponsor the award dinner.

Betterer and betterer!

Maybe tomorrow will be the auspicious day? I hope so!!! I am not sure I can keep the excitement going longer than that, I am getting old and it can’t be good for my heart to maintain this level of excitement for long.

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 16:15

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 13:34

Sounds like a plan!

We could ask Netflix to sponsor the award dinner.

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 15:59

Abominableday · 26/09/2025 12:08

Thanks for that - I can't get onto the full show but I did find this clip on YouTube

Well worth watching that clip from 2023. No sign of dementia there and she really doesn't look appreciably older than in the famous interview with Kirsty Wark in 2015.

Edited to add the link which didn't carry through in the quote.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 15:47

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 15:38

How truly dishonest of you to say she was admitted to a nursing home for dementia. In 2021 she went to live in what Australians call an aged care home for precisely 10 months, before declaring she couldn't live as an "inmate" (her word) and went to live with her brother. I can find no mention of dementia, not even in Wikipedia, one of your trusted sources, am I right? 😉

I think she did like the Dragonflies there though.

But apparently, rumours are all that is needed to validate the truth about Germaine, and absurd notions about using personality traits as a valid method of categorising sex classes is all good...

A pattern of reality rejection is showing, I think.

JazzyJelly · 26/09/2025 15:46

SinnerBoy · 26/09/2025 14:38

I'll just stop you there at your outright lie that people can have different gametes in one body. You are ridiculous.

To be fair, women can have both types of gametes in one body, but the small mobile ones have to be donated by someone else!

Greyskybluesky · 26/09/2025 15:45

SinnerBoy · 26/09/2025 14:38

I'll just stop you there at your outright lie that people can have different gametes in one body. You are ridiculous.

Among all the stupidity I missed that particular morsel of stupidity.

I mean, what's the point really? There is not even any basic understanding here.

NotAtMyAge · 26/09/2025 15:38

Howseitgoin · 26/09/2025 11:10

Yup, Greer doesn't believe trans women are the same as CIS women in terms of "life experience" but not all women's life experiences are the same & some trans women experiences are similar to CIS women so it's not exactly one of her most rigorous analyses. She was getting on at that stage & admitted to a nursing home for dementia not long after.

How truly dishonest of you to say she was admitted to a nursing home for dementia. In 2021 she went to live in what Australians call an aged care home for precisely 10 months, before declaring she couldn't live as an "inmate" (her word) and went to live with her brother. I can find no mention of dementia, not even in Wikipedia, one of your trusted sources, am I right? 😉

RayonSunrise · 26/09/2025 15:04

Sounds like a great book. I’ve got it on my wishlist.

SinnerBoy · 26/09/2025 14:38

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 22:56

Do you have any evidence that ‘sex’ doesn't comply of multiple traits, with variable distributions. Or that Individuals may possess different combinations of chromosome type, gamete size, hormone level, morphology, and social roles, which do not always align in female- and male-specific ways or persist across an organism’s lifespan?

This stuff is thoroughly uncontroversial in science.

I'll just stop you there at your outright lie that people can have different gametes in one body. You are ridiculous.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2025 14:37

I'm struggling to keep track of when Germaine is germane and when Germaine is not germane.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 26/09/2025 14:18

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 13:06

But apparently Beowulfa, if Richard Dawkins expresses an opinion that can be considered not accurate enough on a topic on which he is not an expert, we should discount his expertise on evolutionary biology.

Oh... and don't forget the next pivot.

That Dawkins is quite correct, there are only two sexes for reproduction. However, there is this 'social' sex that changes who should and should not be accessing single sex provisions. And this means that Dawkins is also irrelevant on the definition of sex. Because there is more to sex classification than reproduction.

And... we are about to see, finally, the BIMODAL SEX MODEL. How exciting is that!!!! Finally!!!!!

I never thought this day would come 🥹

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 13:42

I think it is also important that the aim of feminism in regards to 'equality' is corrected again and again.

Feminists have worked to ensure female people have equality of opportunity. That requires equitable solutions to achieve that outcome.

This lazy reference of 'feminists fought for equality' keeps coming up. Usually, it won't be relevant to correct. In the discussions of how gender identity negatively impacts the prioritisation of sex in relation to female people's needs and the achievement of equality of opportunity, it does need to be corrected. And on this thread it has been already. It cannot be repeated often enough though.

It is very often used as abusive tactic from MRAs. For instance, 'you all wanted equality, now you must accept the consequences'. And didn't we see that the other day loud and clear with 'if you don't include male people in your groups, then expect that male people will treat you without respect'.

Once you see one form of this abusive tactic used and the DARVO that goes with it, you will see it replayed.

ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird · 26/09/2025 13:35

Oh, ok, I've been so blinkered in my exasperated response to a couple of wide-of-the-mark quote-replies to my own posts that I hadn't realised that the person replying was on an absolute mission to correct everyone's posts with his/her godlike rationality tenacious dogmatism.

I will find a better way to entertain myself.

Helleofabore · 26/09/2025 13:34

Igneococcus · 26/09/2025 13:25

Not sure, I mean, there isn't even a Nobel category for us biologists, we have to aim for chemistry or medicine, although the Swedish Academy that hands out the Nobels gave some award to Carl Woese because he wouldn't qualify for a Nobel prize despite his ground breaking contribution to phylogeny. Maybe we can talk to them about a special award for Howsa.

Sounds like a plan!