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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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NotBadConsidering · 25/09/2025 04:53

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

This has all been done before. Do you have anything original to add?

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:44

"when she was slammed for "liking" a tweet that referred to trans women as "men in dresses.”

-Supporting a dog whistle for ‘deluded’/mentally ill

Months later, Rowling came under fire again for coming to the defense of Maya Forstater. At the time, the researcher had been waging an employment discrimination battle, as her contract with a think tank wasn't renewed after she made a series of anti-trans statements. These statements included that people should not be "compelled to play along with literal delusions like 'transwomen are women,'" and she referred to a gender-fluid person as a "man who likes to dress in women's clothes.”

-Supporting those who explicitly call trans people ‘deluded’/mentally ill

"Rowling revealed she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault and said this led her to sympathize with women who had "concerns around single-sex spaces." She argued against throwing "open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he's a woman.”

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded predatory sex abusers

"Rowling published a new novel titled "Troubled Blood" under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. The book, which revolved around a male serial killer who dresses like a woman, was accused of being anti-trans.
It was disappointing that Rowling was propagating a "long-standing and hurtful presentation of trans women as a threat," a spokesperson for Mermaids, a charity that supports trans children, said to CNN. Rowling, meanwhile, said the book "was loosely based" on real killers."

-Dog whistle for trans people as mentally ill abusers of women

"When Scotland's new Hate Crime and Public Order Act went into effect in April, Rowling tried to bait them into arresting her with posts online. The law criminalizes "stirring up hatred" against people based on their race, religion, disability, sexuality or gender identity. By passing the law, Scotland "placed higher value on the feelings of men performing their idea of femaleness, however misogynistically or opportunistically, than on the rights and freedoms of actual women and girls," Rowling said in the thread on X. If anything she wrote qualified as an offense under the new law, "I look forward to being arrested when I return to the birthplace of the Scottish Enlightenment," Rowling said."

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded/mentally ill predatory abusers of women

"Rowling posted a photo from the fight, accusing Khelif of being a man who was "enjoying the distress of a woman he's just punched in the head."

-Dog whistle for mentally ill trans person who enjoys abusing of women

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

WallaceinAnderland · 25/09/2025 04:35

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed

Please supply any example to back up what you're saying here

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

WallaceinAnderland · 25/09/2025 03:20

JKR's views are pretty mainstream. Humans come in two sexes. Humans can't change sex. Transgender people deserve rights. Women also deserve rights. There is no reason for people to not be friends with her because of those views.

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

Yawhat · 25/09/2025 04:13

She's bounced joblessly from posh uni to posh uni and now spends her time flogging gin. I'm sure JKR's thrilled to be vaguely endorsed by one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

WallaceinAnderland · 25/09/2025 03:20

JKR's views are pretty mainstream. Humans come in two sexes. Humans can't change sex. Transgender people deserve rights. Women also deserve rights. There is no reason for people to not be friends with her because of those views.

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 02:57

NameinVane · 25/09/2025 01:43

In some ways I’m heartened by this, in general I think it’s a good thing to be able to fundamentally disagree with someone about something but still respect and love them and it should be encouraged in this very black and white world we seem to live in.

I also don’t presume to know anything about JKR and EWs friendship (if that’s what it was) but I do remember when it all unfolded back in 2020 and JKR did her tweet and her essay in which she explained in very personal terms why she felt the way she did. I remember being quite shocked to see the glib EW tweet of “TWAW & TMAM and so sad for my trans fans and also donate to Mermaids”
shortly afterwards. It seemed a very odd and fairly cruel public response from a colleague/friend who positioned herself as a feminist to someone who was apparently close to her and had laid themselves bare in terms of detailing precisely why the abuse she had suffered from men meant that she thought self id was a bad idea and single sex spaces were important.

Fair enough if EW disagreed but she had the option of not saying anything given that JKRs views had absolutely nothing to do with her or even saying something along the lines of “I don’t agree but obviously she has the right to an opinion based on her own life experience”.

The what felt forced responses of the HP actors to JKR in 2020 when, on the face of it, there was no need for any of them to say anything at all, brought home to me how deeply this stuff was embedded and how powerful the forces were that were promoting it. Genuinely interested to know what the HP actors really think now and also why they all felt they had to put out public statements in response to what a woman who wrote the books that were made into films that they starred in years before as children said on Twitter.

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The issue of whether friends should end their friendships over political differences is a very poignant issue right now that I myself struggle with. I agree differences of opinion shouldn’t mean disrespecting one another but I myself draw the line of maintaining friendships if they don't treat all humans equally with respect & dignity.

I recently ended a friendship with a person who accused me of being a terrorist supporter & antisemitic for criticism of the Israeli government over Gaza. This individual not only believed that all the Israeli government's actions were justified but hoped they would "finish the job" not to mention that "all muslims should be banned from immigration".

Whilst I strongly believe she is entitled to her views however loathsome & that regardless of them she's also entitled to be treated with respect as a human, I can't in all good conscience maintain a friendship with a person who holds such harmful ideas. In my opinion, if friends don't consider all people of deserving human rights what kind of true friend can they really be?

SidewaysOtter · 25/09/2025 02:54

She’s clearly seen which way the wind is blowing, plus she’s probably got an eye to what she’s going to do once she’s finished her creative writing qualification, so she’s trying to soften her stance.

Problem is, we all saw how she and the other two ungrateful brats treated JKR over the last 5 years, so this is too little too late.

NotBadConsidering · 25/09/2025 02:53

It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)

JKR never said should couldn’t forgive Watson for not agreeing with her. She has said she can never forgive people (like Watson, not specifically named) who have championed a movement that erodes women’s hard earned rights and transitioning vulnerable children.

mathanxiety · 25/09/2025 02:00

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

The only reason she had the platform she had was JKR.

She turned around and bit the hand that fed her, and never uttered a peep about "agreeing to disagree" when JKR was vilified in the most appalling way by people she sided with, and whose opinions she promoted on the platform she acquired due to JKR...

So I personally think it's malign in the extreme to breeze in and publicly thrust JKR into the role of "being the bigger person", with no accountability whatsoever on EW's part.

NameinVane · 25/09/2025 01:43

In some ways I’m heartened by this, in general I think it’s a good thing to be able to fundamentally disagree with someone about something but still respect and love them and it should be encouraged in this very black and white world we seem to live in.

I also don’t presume to know anything about JKR and EWs friendship (if that’s what it was) but I do remember when it all unfolded back in 2020 and JKR did her tweet and her essay in which she explained in very personal terms why she felt the way she did. I remember being quite shocked to see the glib EW tweet of “TWAW & TMAM and so sad for my trans fans and also donate to Mermaids”
shortly afterwards. It seemed a very odd and fairly cruel public response from a colleague/friend who positioned herself as a feminist to someone who was apparently close to her and had laid themselves bare in terms of detailing precisely why the abuse she had suffered from men meant that she thought self id was a bad idea and single sex spaces were important.

Fair enough if EW disagreed but she had the option of not saying anything given that JKRs views had absolutely nothing to do with her or even saying something along the lines of “I don’t agree but obviously she has the right to an opinion based on her own life experience”.

The what felt forced responses of the HP actors to JKR in 2020 when, on the face of it, there was no need for any of them to say anything at all, brought home to me how deeply this stuff was embedded and how powerful the forces were that were promoting it. Genuinely interested to know what the HP actors really think now and also why they all felt they had to put out public statements in response to what a woman who wrote the books that were made into films that they starred in years before as children said on Twitter.

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:55

WandChoosesTheWitch · 24/09/2025 22:57

What a load of self indulgent crap.

It just shows you what an extremely privileged life she has led, contained in her own bubble. She’s been out of the limelight for years, living her life, going to university in the States and doing whatever she’s been doing. What stopped her from learning to drive properly in those intervening years? She’s a woman in her 30s FFS, not a 20 year old.

WTF's being able to drive as an adult woman got to do with anything?
Plenty of adult women who are her age or older like me don't drive either.

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2025 22:38

Well, having read the article, I don’t see anything that says she has? She’s just quoted as saying hopefully people can get on if they have different views.

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

WandChoosesTheWitch · 24/09/2025 23:16

IdaGlossop · 24/09/2025 22:58

A DPhil in creative writing.

She wants to be a writer?

What is she promoting? I saw the start of the interview and he asks her, “Why now?” I stopped watching when she was saying how amazing his book was. So no real answer.

crumpet · 24/09/2025 23:05

A few I’ve seen so far

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Absentosaur · 24/09/2025 23:03

Fck off Emma

WandChoosesTheWitch · 24/09/2025 23:00

Howseitgoin · 24/09/2025 22:56

Well done! Emma Watson has always been a class act. Nice to see her maintain consistency in treating those you disagree with respectfully.

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Maintain consistency 😂

IdaGlossop · 24/09/2025 22:58

EBearhug · 24/09/2025 22:17

Isn't she doing a DPhil in Eng Lit currently?

A DPhil in creative writing.

crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:58

WallaceinAnderland · 24/09/2025 22:16

Holy Moly the TRAs are going to eat her alive

They do not seem to be happy, no.

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WandChoosesTheWitch · 24/09/2025 22:57

What a load of self indulgent crap.

It just shows you what an extremely privileged life she has led, contained in her own bubble. She’s been out of the limelight for years, living her life, going to university in the States and doing whatever she’s been doing. What stopped her from learning to drive properly in those intervening years? She’s a woman in her 30s FFS, not a 20 year old.

ThePoshUns · 24/09/2025 22:56

She sounds insufferable

Howseitgoin · 24/09/2025 22:56

Well done! Emma Watson has always been a class act. Nice to see her maintain consistency in treating those you disagree with respectfully.

WimbledonWhites · 24/09/2025 22:51

Everything in that article showcases perfectly how living such a privileged, cosseted life leads you to luxury beliefs like TWAW.

Merrymouse · 24/09/2025 22:38

How upsetting for poor Emma. If only there had been some way she could have contacted JKR back in 2020 to try to understand her feminist perspective - but unfortunately back then phones and email didn't exist, so all she could do was tweet.

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2025 22:38

Motnight · 24/09/2025 22:14

Wonder what has changed Emma's mind 🤔

Well, having read the article, I don’t see anything that says she has? She’s just quoted as saying hopefully people can get on if they have different views.