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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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Theunamedcat · 25/09/2025 07:54

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

A bit like when JKR wrote an essay people didn't read that either

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 07:51

PinkChaires · 25/09/2025 07:46

I wonder if the new hbo series has made her realise that she might not always be beloved due to her hermione granger role and she wants to become closer to jk rowling before the new series takes over and the movies potentially become sidelined

I thought exactly this.

Funny timing.

Probably trying to get back in there for some Hermoine meets Hermoine photo ops

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:50

This is that golden bridge isn't it? We just have to accept that those who did so much harm by promoting Mermaids, spouting TWAW and cancel culture are finally recognising that they're on the wrong side of history. Stating that it's OK to be a grown up and acknowledge and live with differences / disagreements is being an adult.
Welcome to adulthood Emma.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 07:50

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:42

Indeed.
This is from a man from Australia who for ....reasons.... spends hours every day on a UK feminist board lecturing women with his own distorted views of feminism, women, the UK and politics
😂😂😂

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He takes what women say, calls it a "dog whistle for" and then makes something up, or just takes something that's actually true and has been pointed out many times, like sex offenders claiming a female identity to get placed in a women's prison. Or he takes something quite objectively awful, like men punching women in a boxing ring, and calls that a dog whistle too, because apparently that's not actually bad enough on its own and is actually code for something else that's even worse. Mate, we don't need to dog whistle when a female athlete gets her skull broken by a man in a boxing ring, or has to concede in seconds to prevent it. That really is the bad thing we are pointing out.

He somehow thinks all this is a win for his side. Keep watching, we're going to get posts consisting of a single Wikipedia link to something totally irrelevant soon.

As for Watson, well firstly who cares what she thinks about anything, but this looks like an attempt to keep her TRA army on side while gaining points for being so nice and sweet and reasonable because of course we can have different opinions blah blah. She's always been an appalling actress, what makes her think she'll convince anyone now?

eleanorwish · 25/09/2025 07:50

Deerfolk · 25/09/2025 07:42

I remember her speech with the ‘bar one’. During the height of anti JKR. Now she’s slivetherin back.

With the accompanying smirk.

Fluffytoebeanz · 25/09/2025 07:48

I wonder if she's starting to see things from a different perspective. She's openly re embraced someone she strongly criticised and opened Pandora's box without actually saying she's GC.

WandChoosesTheWitch · 25/09/2025 07:47

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:55

WTF's being able to drive as an adult woman got to do with anything?
Plenty of adult women who are her age or older like me don't drive either.

Yes, yes, plenty of women don’t drive/haven’t learnt to drive. It’s no biggie. And yes, JKR also doesn’t drive.

But have you actually read the article? It’s the way she speaks about why she did not learn to drive properly - I got driven everywhere, yes as a child actor you did and as an adult actor whilst shooting a film. I’m highlighting her very privileged background and the fact she’s a grown woman but talks like she is very young.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/09/2025 07:47

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Emma Watson had a good go at cancelling JK, the silly sausage

is JKR really having Fleetwood Mac play at her birthday party? because if so, that’s totally awesome (and I’d probably prevaricate about some of my views to get an invitation too)

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 07:47

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Lol, what?

PinkChaires · 25/09/2025 07:46

I wonder if the new hbo series has made her realise that she might not always be beloved due to her hermione granger role and she wants to become closer to jk rowling before the new series takes over and the movies potentially become sidelined

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/09/2025 07:44

Couldn’t finish the article. Yet another cautionary tale about how generally unsatisfactory child actors go on to find their adult life.

StewkeyBlue · 25/09/2025 07:44

The tide is less likely to turn if those on the cusp of turning get turned back by hate.

Leave that to the TRAs.

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Deerfolk · 25/09/2025 07:42

I remember her speech with the ‘bar one’. During the height of anti JKR. Now she’s slivetherin back.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:42

Soontobe60 · 25/09/2025 06:50

They’re not ‘dog whistles’. They’re facts. Anyone who believes they were born in the wrong body, who believes in gendered souls, who believes that dressing in opposite sex clothing literally makes them the opposite sex (I could go on) is clearly mentally unwell.

Indeed.
This is from a man from Australia who for ....reasons.... spends hours every day on a UK feminist board lecturing women with his own distorted views of feminism, women, the UK and politics
😂😂😂

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 07:41

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 07:35

...a woman without whom none of those three shit, fifth rate actors would have had any kind of career at all. But clearly they were all more interested in costing up to the TRA mob than showing an iota of gratitude.

Are you suggesting people should lie about their values as a trade off for a job?

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 07:35

NameinVane · 25/09/2025 01:43

In some ways I’m heartened by this, in general I think it’s a good thing to be able to fundamentally disagree with someone about something but still respect and love them and it should be encouraged in this very black and white world we seem to live in.

I also don’t presume to know anything about JKR and EWs friendship (if that’s what it was) but I do remember when it all unfolded back in 2020 and JKR did her tweet and her essay in which she explained in very personal terms why she felt the way she did. I remember being quite shocked to see the glib EW tweet of “TWAW & TMAM and so sad for my trans fans and also donate to Mermaids”
shortly afterwards. It seemed a very odd and fairly cruel public response from a colleague/friend who positioned herself as a feminist to someone who was apparently close to her and had laid themselves bare in terms of detailing precisely why the abuse she had suffered from men meant that she thought self id was a bad idea and single sex spaces were important.

Fair enough if EW disagreed but she had the option of not saying anything given that JKRs views had absolutely nothing to do with her or even saying something along the lines of “I don’t agree but obviously she has the right to an opinion based on her own life experience”.

The what felt forced responses of the HP actors to JKR in 2020 when, on the face of it, there was no need for any of them to say anything at all, brought home to me how deeply this stuff was embedded and how powerful the forces were that were promoting it. Genuinely interested to know what the HP actors really think now and also why they all felt they had to put out public statements in response to what a woman who wrote the books that were made into films that they starred in years before as children said on Twitter.

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...a woman without whom none of those three shit, fifth rate actors would have had any kind of career at all. But clearly they were all more interested in costing up to the TRA mob than showing an iota of gratitude.

CameltoeParkerBowles · 25/09/2025 07:29

Howseitgoin · 24/09/2025 22:56

Well done! Emma Watson has always been a class act. Nice to see her maintain consistency in treating those you disagree with respectfully.

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😄

SparklyGlitterballs · 25/09/2025 07:23

Well, she's gained a BA in English Lit and now is studying for a Masters in Creative Writing at Oxford. As she hasn't acted in almost 6 years, perhaps she's considering a career change to become a writer and wants to improve her image in literary and publishing circles. Let's hope her writing style is better than her speaking style and isn't all full of "like" and "basically" etc. I certainly will not be buying any books she may write.

Ddakji · 25/09/2025 07:15

WimbledonWhites · 24/09/2025 22:51

Everything in that article showcases perfectly how living such a privileged, cosseted life leads you to luxury beliefs like TWAW.

I do think entering the world of HP at aged 9 means Emma never grew up in the real world. That is so, so young. Not her fault as such, but I’m more annoyed that organisations use someone from such an unusual background as a figurehead and mouthpiece.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 25/09/2025 07:12

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:44

"when she was slammed for "liking" a tweet that referred to trans women as "men in dresses.”

-Supporting a dog whistle for ‘deluded’/mentally ill

Months later, Rowling came under fire again for coming to the defense of Maya Forstater. At the time, the researcher had been waging an employment discrimination battle, as her contract with a think tank wasn't renewed after she made a series of anti-trans statements. These statements included that people should not be "compelled to play along with literal delusions like 'transwomen are women,'" and she referred to a gender-fluid person as a "man who likes to dress in women's clothes.”

-Supporting those who explicitly call trans people ‘deluded’/mentally ill

"Rowling revealed she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault and said this led her to sympathize with women who had "concerns around single-sex spaces." She argued against throwing "open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he's a woman.”

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded predatory sex abusers

"Rowling published a new novel titled "Troubled Blood" under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. The book, which revolved around a male serial killer who dresses like a woman, was accused of being anti-trans.
It was disappointing that Rowling was propagating a "long-standing and hurtful presentation of trans women as a threat," a spokesperson for Mermaids, a charity that supports trans children, said to CNN. Rowling, meanwhile, said the book "was loosely based" on real killers."

-Dog whistle for trans people as mentally ill abusers of women

"When Scotland's new Hate Crime and Public Order Act went into effect in April, Rowling tried to bait them into arresting her with posts online. The law criminalizes "stirring up hatred" against people based on their race, religion, disability, sexuality or gender identity. By passing the law, Scotland "placed higher value on the feelings of men performing their idea of femaleness, however misogynistically or opportunistically, than on the rights and freedoms of actual women and girls," Rowling said in the thread on X. If anything she wrote qualified as an offense under the new law, "I look forward to being arrested when I return to the birthplace of the Scottish Enlightenment," Rowling said."

-Dog whistle for trans people as deluded/mentally ill predatory abusers of women

"Rowling posted a photo from the fight, accusing Khelif of being a man who was "enjoying the distress of a woman he's just punched in the head."

-Dog whistle for mentally ill trans person who enjoys abusing of women

https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 25/09/2025 07:08

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 06:57

Having a discomfort with one's gender non alignment doesn't mean the mismatch is not real.

Interruptaron incoming.

Well, hello Emma Watson
LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 25/09/2025 07:07

crumpet · 24/09/2025 23:05

A few I’ve seen so far

You can’t appease these people, it’s either complete and utter adherence to the cult or you’re ‘literally committing genocide’. Emma will find out the hard way.

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 07:01

There are no biological or neurological markers that are found in common to categorise people as being transgender. The commonality is the philosophical belief about their identity that is not based on material reality.

Helleofabore · 25/09/2025 06:59

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 06:53

There's nothing mentally unwell about embracing one's own organic inclination towards femininity or masculinity in fact its a thoroughly widespread normalised phenomena.

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However, one's own organic inclinations towards femininity or masculinity is not relevant to one's belonging to one's sex class.

Male people can be as 'feminine' (according to the stereotypes they hold) as they like. They are not female. They are not 'women' or 'girls'.

Women can be 'feminine' or completely 'unfeminine' - still they are women.