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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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teawamutu · 25/09/2025 09:21

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 09:20

Look, It well could be that EW has decided to put her own ill feelings aside (that she may still harbour) in favour of the interests of trans people because JKR'S influence is so powerful.

Peace is made in such ways…

What ill feelings? Again, you're not making any sense. Please explain?

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 09:20

YourBrickTiger · 25/09/2025 08:59

I don't agree. I've seen interviews with her and her behaviour at an awards ceremony and she seemed downright nasty and a bit of a bully tbh.

Look, It well could be that EW has decided to put her own ill feelings aside (that she may still harbour) in favour of the interests of trans people because JKR'S influence is so powerful.

Peace is made in such ways…

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:19

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

Demonising? She has never demonised anyone. This, is demonising. This, is the vile, demonising, dehumanising, disgusting and despicable side you support. THIS, is demonising:

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AngelinaFibres · 25/09/2025 09:18

WimbledonWhites · 24/09/2025 22:51

Everything in that article showcases perfectly how living such a privileged, cosseted life leads you to luxury beliefs like TWAW.

And to be a twat in repeatedly speeding in your car to the extent that you are banned for 6 months. Pathetic.Presumably travelling at a speed that means you might not kill someone else who happens to also live in Oxford is just too tricky for a film star.

Citrusbergamia · 25/09/2025 09:14

Hellohelga · 25/09/2025 08:53

What are you on about? Don’t understand a word of that.

So glad someone else said that...I thought exactly the same! 🤔

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:12

mathanxiety · 25/09/2025 02:00

The only reason she had the platform she had was JKR.

She turned around and bit the hand that fed her, and never uttered a peep about "agreeing to disagree" when JKR was vilified in the most appalling way by people she sided with, and whose opinions she promoted on the platform she acquired due to JKR...

So I personally think it's malign in the extreme to breeze in and publicly thrust JKR into the role of "being the bigger person", with no accountability whatsoever on EW's part.

Quite! And fuck anyone expecting JK, after all she went through, to be the 'bigger person' and EW to be allowed to get away with her hateful cruelty without being called to account.

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ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:10

NameinVane · 25/09/2025 01:43

In some ways I’m heartened by this, in general I think it’s a good thing to be able to fundamentally disagree with someone about something but still respect and love them and it should be encouraged in this very black and white world we seem to live in.

I also don’t presume to know anything about JKR and EWs friendship (if that’s what it was) but I do remember when it all unfolded back in 2020 and JKR did her tweet and her essay in which she explained in very personal terms why she felt the way she did. I remember being quite shocked to see the glib EW tweet of “TWAW & TMAM and so sad for my trans fans and also donate to Mermaids”
shortly afterwards. It seemed a very odd and fairly cruel public response from a colleague/friend who positioned herself as a feminist to someone who was apparently close to her and had laid themselves bare in terms of detailing precisely why the abuse she had suffered from men meant that she thought self id was a bad idea and single sex spaces were important.

Fair enough if EW disagreed but she had the option of not saying anything given that JKRs views had absolutely nothing to do with her or even saying something along the lines of “I don’t agree but obviously she has the right to an opinion based on her own life experience”.

The what felt forced responses of the HP actors to JKR in 2020 when, on the face of it, there was no need for any of them to say anything at all, brought home to me how deeply this stuff was embedded and how powerful the forces were that were promoting it. Genuinely interested to know what the HP actors really think now and also why they all felt they had to put out public statements in response to what a woman who wrote the books that were made into films that they starred in years before as children said on Twitter.

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I remember being quite shocked to see the glib EW tweet of “TWAW & TMAM and so sad for my trans fans and also donate to Mermaids”
shortly afterwards. It seemed a very odd and fairly cruel public response from a colleague/friend who positioned herself as a feminist to someone who was apparently close to her and had laid themselves bare in terms of detailing precisely why the abuse she had suffered from men meant that she thought self id was a bad idea and single sex spaces were important.
Fair enough if EW disagreed but she had the option of not saying anything given that JKRs views had absolutely nothing to do with her or even saying something along the lines of “I don’t agree but obviously she has the right to an opinion based on her own life experience”.

That's exactly how I felt, too. EW knew JK had been through domestic violence. So what she said felt extra cruel. EW could have realised JK is a wiser, older adult, maybe she as an elder knew more than her, and kept her mouth shut, instead of attacking her and really giving the misogynists an excuse to say "see! Not even her own actors agree with her!" It felt extra cruel. EW in her privileged position of money, never being poor, not needing to use public facilities - unlike JK, shitting on a woman who had went through so much. No, EW is a vile spoilt hateful bitch. I will never, ever, ever forgive her for what she said. Time can't remove that hateful cruelty.

usedtobeaylis · 25/09/2025 09:09

Butchyrestingface · 25/09/2025 09:03

I read an interview with Tom Burke of Strike fame, where he revealed he asked for media training from the BBC on how to handle enquiries about JKR and the trans issue.

He was resolutely a-political in his answers on the GC versus trans debate. Which made me think hope he's secretly GC and just too afraid to nail his colours to the mast.

Same, TRAs never put that much thought into diplomacy.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 09:06

TWAW is pretty much ubiquitous in the thespian world. I suppose you can see how it happens among people who make a living out of pretending to be something they're not. They should realise they're only pretending, though. Even when you do some gender bending in casting, like deciding to make Prospero a woman called Prospera and cast Judi Dench, you still need to know Prospero was originally written as a man and that Dench is a woman. Actors do tend to be a bit mad though.

Butchyrestingface · 25/09/2025 09:03

I read an interview with Tom Burke of Strike fame, where he revealed he asked for media training from the BBC on how to handle enquiries about JKR and the trans issue.

He was resolutely a-political in his answers on the GC versus trans debate. Which made me think hope he's secretly GC and just too afraid to nail his colours to the mast.

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 09:01

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

Hmmm, lets see:

JK - females need human rights.
EW - no they don't need human rights or single sex spaces, and males in a dress are the victims.
JK - I can't forgive you for thinking rape survivors and Domestic Violence victims don't deserve human rights. The most vulnerable having safety, dignity and privacy is not something I can compromise on.

And coming away thinking JK is the less reasonable one. Fuck me dead.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/09/2025 09:00

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 08:45

Cosseted, self-righteous idiot begins to sense that her luxury beliefs are no longer as fashionable and takes a tentative step backwards into the beginnings of a reverse ferret.

Here's Tom with the weather.

🤣🤣

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 09:00

YourBrickTiger · 25/09/2025 08:59

I don't agree. I've seen interviews with her and her behaviour at an awards ceremony and she seemed downright nasty and a bit of a bully tbh.

Yeah, remember "all the witches"?

She's a real mean girl.

Butchyrestingface · 25/09/2025 09:00

If Emma is backpedaling, I wonder when Tom Felton will be inspired to emerge from the chrysalis as a TERF MAGA, complete with the t-shirt.

I've been rooting for him for a while. Grin

YourBrickTiger · 25/09/2025 08:59

Howseitgoin · 24/09/2025 22:56

Well done! Emma Watson has always been a class act. Nice to see her maintain consistency in treating those you disagree with respectfully.

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I don't agree. I've seen interviews with her and her behaviour at an awards ceremony and she seemed downright nasty and a bit of a bully tbh.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 08:58

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

What views do you think JK Rowling has failed to disavow, and are they worse than "TERFs should be beheaded", a view you have failed to disavow, or indeed "female people shouldn't have the right to exist in law", which is a view you actually personally hold?

catSlaveToTwo · 25/09/2025 08:57

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/09/2025 07:50

This is that golden bridge isn't it? We just have to accept that those who did so much harm by promoting Mermaids, spouting TWAW and cancel culture are finally recognising that they're on the wrong side of history. Stating that it's OK to be a grown up and acknowledge and live with differences / disagreements is being an adult.
Welcome to adulthood Emma.

A lot of posters said over years that many of the young female supporters spouting TWAW would when they get some life experience under them likely get less vocal and less supporting as life started hitting them in the face.

I've seen it with DD1 changes in social group and a bit more life experience under her belt.

It would have been nice if Emma had at least kept quiet while she was gaining that but such a public platform did her no favours.

It's a first step maybe there some ulterior motive but maybe she just slowly growing up but more in the public eye than most and taking longer doing it.

Bollihobs · 25/09/2025 08:57

Yawhat · 25/09/2025 04:13

She's bounced joblessly from posh uni to posh uni and now spends her time flogging gin. I'm sure JKR's thrilled to be vaguely endorsed by one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

😂😂👏👏 Indeed!

ElectoralControversy · 25/09/2025 08:56

Thanks @Helleofabore for your point by point disassembly of that nonsense

I don't have the patience to type anything longer than "none of that says what you say it says, and you don't know what a dog whistle is" 😄

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 08:55

WimbledonWhites · 24/09/2025 22:51

Everything in that article showcases perfectly how living such a privileged, cosseted life leads you to luxury beliefs like TWAW.

Yes, she said the quiet part out loud, didn't she?

"I've spent the last 25 years in a Hollywood bubble where I was completely insulated from the real world and had everything done for me, and now I'm 36 and lack the most basic life skills that most other people have."

Yes, Emma, you do. You haven't grown up in the real world, and neither have most of the people you hang out with. And JK Rowling might be far richer than you will ever be, but she did grow up in the real world and has experienced real life in a way that you never have and never will. So maybe her point of view is worth listening to.

Hellohelga · 25/09/2025 08:53

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 04:33

Whilst it's true that those are JKR's views & those views are mainstream, the issue is how those views are framed which for many constitute dehumanising demonising dog whistles that by their very nature provide convenient plausible deniability. Whilst we can never know what is truly in JKR's heart, we can know that she not only supports many who are explicitly using such language as do her supporters but doesn't disavow it as Sex Matters does on their website to their credit. Of course she is not required to disavow what she must know is going on to prove her innocence but it certainly smells like complicity when she doesn't given the huge influence she wields.

What are you on about? Don’t understand a word of that.

deadpan · 25/09/2025 08:52

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 06:53

There's nothing mentally unwell about embracing one's own organic inclination towards femininity or masculinity in fact its a thoroughly widespread normalised phenomena.

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There are three reasons why a man thinks he's a woman. Either he has a fetish, he has gender dysphoria, or he's been pushed towards thoughts that because he's gay and doesn't present as a traditional man he must therefore be female.
When I say pushed I don't say it glibly, my kids are two young adults and I've seen the onslaught of trans on the social media they use.
If you want to call all or any of that organic full your boots. No one is saying trans people shouldn't live their lives in safety, we just don't want males in females spaces. It's that simple.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 08:51

WallaceinAnderland · 24/09/2025 22:16

Holy Moly the TRAs are going to eat her alive

Wait for the Margaret Atwood style recanting in 3...2...1...

usedtobeaylis · 25/09/2025 08:50

Emma Watson is a passive aggressive faux wide-eyed liberal 'feminist'. She's not credible on any subject really.

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 08:50

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 08:45

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”

-Trump

See how dog whistling works?

Likening fact-based concerns about a completely different topic to racism? Yes, I do. I'd say well done, but it would feel wrong.

Well, hello Emma Watson