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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:34

So all that throwing women under the bus has not even benefited her, has it?

Nup. She was a beloved character in the Harry Potter movies, but like many child actors, wasn't convincing, relatable or expressive enough to make the transition from child to adult actor in the business.

Her "feminism" didn't help her. It always looked like PR posturing without engaging with the basics of what feminism is about.

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 10:46

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 10:42

I think that poster means that what is usually said about someone who "dissents" on here must be a man.
Why should we use the men's if we're women? I am, anyway, obviously don't know about anyone else - I'm not trans if that's what you're thinking 😕

You would think that if people were secure in their arguments it wouldn't be necessary to smear women with dissenting opinions as perverse men but there you go…..🤥

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/09/2025 10:45

heathspeedwell · 25/09/2025 09:52

Emma Watson actively encouraged people to give money to Mermaids even though it was public knowledge at the time that Susie Green took her 15 year old son to Thailand so he could have his genitals removed as a 'present' on the morning of his 16th birthday.

Watson isn't stupid and if she had done the bare minimum of research she could have seen the video of Susie Green laughing about the fact her son's penis never grew, because he had taken puberty blockers. They had to remove a third of his colon to construct a 'neovagina' for him.

(Anyone can confirm this for themselves by going on YouTube and typing 'Susie Green laughing' in the search bar.)

Of course we've had the Cass review and puberty blockers are banned now, but how many vulnerable children took Mermaids seriously as a result of patronage by people like Watson who were too lazy to check the facts?

It's not just Mermaids: she also promoted Mama Cash on twitter.

See this excellent article from Jo Bartosch.

In 2018, international and domestic NGOs collaborated to prevent the passing of the Trafficking of Persons Bill in India. This was heralded as a victory by the Netherlands-based Mama Cash, which claimed the bill, “conflated trafficking with sex work, which would have increased stigma, discrimination and violence against sex workers, reduced their autonomy and agency, and threatened their human rights”.

The campaign, part funded by Mama Cash, undermined the work of grassroots feminist activists in India like Vaishnavi Sundar. After years of working to stop the sex trade, Sundar, a documentary film-maker and activist based in Chennai, sees the halting of the anti-trafficking bill as a form of ideological imperialism:

“In a country that is known for its ineffectual jurisprudence where women fight for three or four decades for any legal recourse, it is disquieting to see Western organisations like Mama Cash siding with groups that further amplify women’s sexual exploitation. While ‘sex work’ may benefit a minority group, to halt a bill that could potentially save thousands of children over semantics is cruel and anti-women.”

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2021/putting-women-last/

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 10:43

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:35

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

And this right here, Gentle Reader, is exhibit A of how shallow trans activists are. And listed first too. They actually do our work for us. No substance. Not a brain cell to bump into each other among them.

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 10:42

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/09/2025 10:10

Just use the gents

you’ll be fine

I think that poster means that what is usually said about someone who "dissents" on here must be a man.
Why should we use the men's if we're women? I am, anyway, obviously don't know about anyone else - I'm not trans if that's what you're thinking 😕

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 25/09/2025 10:41

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:34

Emma is worth about £80 million. I doubt she is desperately touting for work.

It's interesting, because her money meant the option was there to stay out of this entirely. There genuinely are people who've been made to go along with trans ideology as a condition of keeping their livelihoods, but Emma has never been one of them. Not when she first decided to wade in, and not now either.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:41

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 10:40

There's a certain type of man (Jolyon whatsisface and Boy George are also this type) who is absolutely fucking furious that a woman got money like this and earned it all from talent and skill (especially when she's now richer than they are). Not a marriage or inheritance. They can just about take it if she's an actress or singer, but to do it the way JKR did it AND remain incredibly generous and philanthropic and creative... it blows their minds. It enrages them. How fucking dare she.

See also Philip Pullman. And also Joanne Harris and most of the publishing industry in general.

They hate her 'cos they ain't her.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 10:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:34

Yes, in what sense is being one of the most successful and high earning self-made women in the world not newsworthy?

There's a certain type of man (Jolyon whatsisface and Boy George are also this type) who is absolutely fucking furious that a woman got money like this and earned it all from talent and skill (especially when she's now richer than they are). Not a marriage or inheritance. They can just about take it if she's an actress or singer, but to do it the way JKR did it AND remain incredibly generous and philanthropic and creative... it blows their minds. It enrages them. How fucking dare she.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 25/09/2025 10:40

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:53

Exactly, where does it say she's changed her mind?
Have people actually read the article?
It just says that she hopes people can still get on even if they don't always share the same opinions, which sounds grounded and sensible seeing as they knew each other and got on before all the "trans differences" between them.
It also says where JK apparently said earlier that she "could never forgive her" (for her views and saying she can't agree with her?!)
I know who sounds the most reasonable and it's not JK

I think a lot of people burnt bridges with JK when she was being vilified for stating facts. I don’t think I’d forgive people who jumped in the pile on. It wasn’t conciliatory tweeting about how we can all agree to disagree then.

Now that a good plan has come together it should be mutual respect for trans differences? It’s the new version of be kind and shut up.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:39

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 10:37

She's in her thirties
Really hate how people always infantilise grown women on here.

She's in her thirties, which means she should stop behaving like a silly little twerp.

If the boot fits...

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:38

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:35

She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

Being beautiful isn't an achievement, and she is wealthy because of JK Rowling. Because JK Rowling created a fictional character who looked and talked exactly like 10 year old Emma Watson, which meant that 10 year old Emma Watson was given that role in the hope that she would develop some acting skills along the way. Spoiler: she didn't.

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 10:37

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 25/09/2025 10:20

The silly little twerp was done yet again for speeding having already had 9 points on her licence. She came up with drivel about not really knowing how to drive because she's always been driven aroung.

She's in her thirties
Really hate how people always infantilise grown women on here.

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:35

Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:30

She's a dreadful actress and a so "called" defender of women's rights without knowing what defending women's rights actually mean.

Fortunately, she's such a bad actress, she is not getting the work in the business. Her apparent about face is nothing more than being an actress without work.

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She is beautiful and very wealthy. I guess she can't have everything.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:34

borntobequiet · 25/09/2025 10:34

Seriously, get over yourself. She’s the author of the most successful series of children’s books in the history of publishing, with a very successful line in adult fiction as well. She’s a noted philanthropist who has given away much of her fortune. She’s a singularly attractive and articulate high profile woman, committed to promoting the rights of women and girls.

All these factors make her highly newsworthy.

Yes, in what sense is being one of the most successful and high earning self-made women in the world not newsworthy?

TheQuirkyMaker · 25/09/2025 10:34

Emma is worth about £80 million. I doubt she is desperately touting for work.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:34

Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:30

She's a dreadful actress and a so "called" defender of women's rights without knowing what defending women's rights actually mean.

Fortunately, she's such a bad actress, she is not getting the work in the business. Her apparent about face is nothing more than being an actress without work.

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So all that throwing women under the bus has not even benefited her, has it?

borntobequiet · 25/09/2025 10:34

Howseitgoin · 25/09/2025 09:57

JKR : not news worthy. JKR + transphobia: news worthy.

There you go.

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Seriously, get over yourself. She’s the author of the most successful series of children’s books in the history of publishing, with a very successful line in adult fiction as well. She’s a noted philanthropist who has given away much of her fortune. She’s a singularly attractive and articulate high profile woman, committed to promoting the rights of women and girls.

All these factors make her highly newsworthy.

Beowulfa · 25/09/2025 10:30

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 25/09/2025 10:20

The silly little twerp was done yet again for speeding having already had 9 points on her licence. She came up with drivel about not really knowing how to drive because she's always been driven aroung.

I would like to repeat the excellent joke made when the news broke that Emma Watson and Zoe Wannemaker both lost their licences in the same court on the same day: 12 points from Gryffindor!

(assmed it was The Sun, but can't seem to find the origin online)

Alondra · 25/09/2025 10:30

She's a dreadful actress and a so "called" defender of women's rights without knowing what defending women's rights actually mean.

Fortunately, she's such a bad actress, she is not getting the work in the business. Her apparent about face is nothing more than being an actress without work.

Madcats · 25/09/2025 10:28

Have they finished all the casting for the new HP series?

Have Pink News opined, yet?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:28

ReceiveIt · 25/09/2025 10:21

JKR stuck up for women in a time where it was considered career suicide to even hint at any disagreement with TWAW. Not only career suicide, death threats, horrific online abuse for you and your children, book burnings and doxing.

Now that the tide has started to turn, mealy-mouthed celebs are coming forward to claim that actually, standing up for women may not be a bad thing and they always supported women's rights. A classic example of if you don’t stand for something, then you will fall for anything.

Exactly.

People like Emma Watson will never be able to pretend that they didn't jump enthusiastically onto this bandwagon.

Whereas people like Tom Felton and Evanna Lynch, who have been much more measured in their comments, will not be defined by it.

There's no way of knowing whether those cast members who chose not to stick the knife into JK Rowling did so because they believed she may be right about trans issues or because they felt they owed her a certain loyalty despite her views, but either way they conducted themselves in a much more intelligent and dignified way.

Aluna · 25/09/2025 10:23

Did she step away from fame or did she stop getting parts?

Presumably she’s backtracking now because the Supreme Court agreed with JKR.

ReceiveIt · 25/09/2025 10:21

JKR stuck up for women in a time where it was considered career suicide to even hint at any disagreement with TWAW. Not only career suicide, death threats, horrific online abuse for you and your children, book burnings and doxing.

Now that the tide has started to turn, mealy-mouthed celebs are coming forward to claim that actually, standing up for women may not be a bad thing and they always supported women's rights. A classic example of if you don’t stand for something, then you will fall for anything.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 25/09/2025 10:20

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 00:55

WTF's being able to drive as an adult woman got to do with anything?
Plenty of adult women who are her age or older like me don't drive either.

The silly little twerp was done yet again for speeding having already had 9 points on her licence. She came up with drivel about not really knowing how to drive because she's always been driven aroung.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 10:18

Horsie · 25/09/2025 10:13

I don't think it's true that she has no career. She's done lots of acting and modelling work in the last few years, while studying. I'm sure she'd be doing more if she didn't also want to study. After the PhD, she'll have lots of options. I'm sure she will get acting parts still, having carried huge movies like Beauty and the Beast. Alternatively, she could continue in academic research, or teach at a university. She'll have lots of options.

As for having no children, that doesn't really mean anything. Currently she's studying full-time, and just living her life the way that millions of people without children do. She's only 35 and might well have frozen her eggs. Maybe she'll have them at 40 or 43.

People always say this about Jennifer Aniston too - ohhhh, her life is so empty. But she's always been busy working, having relationships, seeing friends. She just doesn't have children. No one goes on about how empty a man's life is when he's having a perfectly full life with work, friends, and relationships, but no kids!

She hasn't had an acting role since Little Women. I wouldn't call that "lots of acting". She was fucking awful in that, and in Beauty and the Beast. She can't even "carry" roles where she has to play a pretty brunette goody two-shoes, let alone anything more challenging than that.

She's done two modelling jobs for the same brand in three years, that's hardly a lot of work, is it?

I don't see the relevance of Jennifer Aniston. Jennifer Aniston has a successful career.