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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 17:47

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

What do you mean? Like if a boy likes Barbie? He's a boy who likes Barbie. A girl isn't a child who likes Barbie. I hated Barbie as a kid, did that make me a boy?

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

Soontobe60 · 25/09/2025 06:50

They’re not ‘dog whistles’. They’re facts. Anyone who believes they were born in the wrong body, who believes in gendered souls, who believes that dressing in opposite sex clothing literally makes them the opposite sex (I could go on) is clearly mentally unwell.

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

SionnachRuadh · 25/09/2025 17:31

CrackingOn50 · 25/09/2025 17:20

I once read somewhere a theory about child actors and singers etc.

Because the 'normal' trajectory of growing up is so radically thrown off course by their fame it was surmised that their emotional development is stunted at the age they hit success.

It makes sense really. Things like being in an environment where your peers differ so much to kids at school, surrounded by sycophants and having scrutiny.
Living in a bubble where bonkers things are normalised.

Perhaps EW will escape acting like a Hogwarts' student and 'grow up' but who knows?

Brett Cooper has been talking quite a bit about her experience of being a child actor in Hollywood, about how it's an environment where things like middle aged men hitting on 14 year old girls is entirely normal. She did a long interview with Jordan Peterson that very much confirms the theory.

Brett was never particularly famous as an actor, which might be related to why she's seemed to come out of it relatively unscathed.

I think the flip side of that is what we can see with the Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan and Elliot Page types, or from a generation earlier Drew Barrymore, who never got to have normal childhoods. Every time I see Drew Barrymore I get depressed, because this is a 50 year old woman who's still massively screwed up from her weird childhood.

ZoeCM · 25/09/2025 17:29

CrackingOn50 · 25/09/2025 17:20

I once read somewhere a theory about child actors and singers etc.

Because the 'normal' trajectory of growing up is so radically thrown off course by their fame it was surmised that their emotional development is stunted at the age they hit success.

It makes sense really. Things like being in an environment where your peers differ so much to kids at school, surrounded by sycophants and having scrutiny.
Living in a bubble where bonkers things are normalised.

Perhaps EW will escape acting like a Hogwarts' student and 'grow up' but who knows?

In the Robbie Williams biopic Better Man, there's a scene where Robbie he says at an AA meeting that he's emotionally stunted because his life "froze" when he became famous at fifteen.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 25/09/2025 17:26

Collaborate · 25/09/2025 07:43

TERFS: Don’t cancel us because of our beliefs!

also TERFS: How dare Emma Watson not cancel JKR because of her beliefs!

Are you 12?

CrackingOn50 · 25/09/2025 17:20

I once read somewhere a theory about child actors and singers etc.

Because the 'normal' trajectory of growing up is so radically thrown off course by their fame it was surmised that their emotional development is stunted at the age they hit success.

It makes sense really. Things like being in an environment where your peers differ so much to kids at school, surrounded by sycophants and having scrutiny.
Living in a bubble where bonkers things are normalised.

Perhaps EW will escape acting like a Hogwarts' student and 'grow up' but who knows?

MondayYogurt · 25/09/2025 17:11

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 25/09/2025 16:40

No doubt.

Someone with Emma's resources and the option to just live quietly doesn't do an interview like this without substantial PR expertise and a planned strategy. She's done all this for a reason and she'll have had the best professional advice.

The Stuart Heritage soft piece was clever too.
Interesting comments btl.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/sep/24/go-quietly-and-get-a-side-hustle-how-to-quit-acting-properly

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 17:01

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 16:52

Oh, that one!

Yep, definitely not changing my opinion about the type of education Oxford provides

I'm so glad I went to Oxford because otherwise I think I'd have this holy awe of anyone who did and imagine them to be so above me with towering intellect. And while there are definitely some people like that, for the most part I don't care. I know what kind of cleverness it is and I know how it's not guaranteed to translate to any other kind of smartness, and certainly not guaranteed to be any kind of integrity.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 17:00

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 16:54

I see your point and in a way I do agree. But the amount of abuse JKR has taken, her family home address published with a bomb making guide, countless death and rape threats, sexist abuse wall to wall. In all that time, Watson stood with the bullshit, made digs and I do not recall her ever calling for the abuse to stop or acknowledging it (I guess she was worried about acknowledging that many TRAs are indeed this vicious and misogynistic). And she never had to worry about losing her job; she's a big enough name with enough millions behind her and she's a shitty actress anyway.

I can see why JKR is all out of fucks to give.

Yeah, I mean if people want to offer her a golden bridge, that’s up to them, but JKR doesn’t have to, and if I were her, I wouldn’t either. 🤷‍♀️

People also need to stop infantilising her.
She was doing her digs in front of an audience at the big age of 30+

People are acting like she’s a young teenager

QuickNameChange22 · 25/09/2025 17:00

Tandora · 25/09/2025 15:01

I understand that is your opinion.

I disagree with it entirely.

Oh lord, it doesn't matter whether you agree with it, it's science, it's fact. Male and female just are, you can't change facts because you don't like them.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 16:56

MondayYogurt · 25/09/2025 16:29

It's just wall to wall Emma coverage today. Her PR does seem to know what they're doing.

Good, because her acting and singing coaches never did.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 16:54

CorruptedCauldron · 25/09/2025 16:33

I may be a bit of a sucker but I would roll out that golden bridge for Emma Watson in a heartbeat. It took some guts to attempt a reverse ferret, as she has now opened herself up to a pile-on. Certain TRAs are merciless when it comes to women who fail to toe the party line. It can’t be easy to veer from the ‘JKR is a baddie’ script when you know you’re going to upset a lot of people.

By extending a little olive branch to JKR, Emma loses her trans allyship status and puts herself at risk of TRA wrath - I think that’s a big deal. It would be huge if she and JK could be reconciled but I think it will take a lot more than this semi-reverse ferret.

I see your point and in a way I do agree. But the amount of abuse JKR has taken, her family home address published with a bomb making guide, countless death and rape threats, sexist abuse wall to wall. In all that time, Watson stood with the bullshit, made digs and I do not recall her ever calling for the abuse to stop or acknowledging it (I guess she was worried about acknowledging that many TRAs are indeed this vicious and misogynistic). And she never had to worry about losing her job; she's a big enough name with enough millions behind her and she's a shitty actress anyway.

I can see why JKR is all out of fucks to give.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 16:52

ArabellaSaurus · 25/09/2025 14:50

Penny claims to be a feminist. Look into her response re the Wiki Spa; its enlightening. She said girls faced with a naked erect penis in their spaces should nit be rude and look away, to paraphrase.

Oh, that one!

Yep, definitely not changing my opinion about the type of education Oxford provides

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 16:50

The thing is, you are allowed to decide that in your opinion, science and reality don't exist. You are allowed to pretend to believe any old shite you like. That's freedom.

But the absolute chutzpah of deciding that everyone else must play along with your nonsense opinion! That women should be legally prohibited from being able to gather without men! That they should lose their medals and their safeguards and their legal existence because of your opinion that reality doesn't matter!

I don't think any other religion has tried to force itself on people like this. They create their own spaces and don't interfere with other religions' spaces.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 16:44

Tandora · 25/09/2025 14:03

Sterilising, chemically castrating and physically destroying children's bodies

nothing to do with the subject at hand. just the rantings and ravings of people who know nothing about the things on which they presume to speak.

This is what ‘trans healthcare’ for children is though.
No human being can change sex

Children are not emotionally mature enough to make these life changing decisions.

I know which side I hear ‘ranting and raving’ and it’s not what you’re quoting

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 25/09/2025 16:40

MondayYogurt · 25/09/2025 16:29

It's just wall to wall Emma coverage today. Her PR does seem to know what they're doing.

No doubt.

Someone with Emma's resources and the option to just live quietly doesn't do an interview like this without substantial PR expertise and a planned strategy. She's done all this for a reason and she'll have had the best professional advice.

CorruptedCauldron · 25/09/2025 16:33

I may be a bit of a sucker but I would roll out that golden bridge for Emma Watson in a heartbeat. It took some guts to attempt a reverse ferret, as she has now opened herself up to a pile-on. Certain TRAs are merciless when it comes to women who fail to toe the party line. It can’t be easy to veer from the ‘JKR is a baddie’ script when you know you’re going to upset a lot of people.

By extending a little olive branch to JKR, Emma loses her trans allyship status and puts herself at risk of TRA wrath - I think that’s a big deal. It would be huge if she and JK could be reconciled but I think it will take a lot more than this semi-reverse ferret.

MondayYogurt · 25/09/2025 16:29

It's just wall to wall Emma coverage today. Her PR does seem to know what they're doing.

WallaceinAnderland · 25/09/2025 16:22

It certainly is a science-denialist religion.

This was posted on Reddit about Richard Dawkins

'Look how old he is. Why are we not asking young and forward thinking scientists for their views?'

Move over Einstein, let the new kids have a crack at it 😂

Namelessnelly · 25/09/2025 16:16

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 16:05

It certainly is a science-denialist religion.

Imagine having the balls to admit it on a public forum.

ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 16:05

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It certainly is a science-denialist religion.

WarrenTofficier · 25/09/2025 16:03

Tandora · 25/09/2025 14:58

Because (as you surely know) I do not share your understandings of "male", "female" and "female space". I think your understandings of these things are reductive, false and based on ignorance/ prejudice.

Do you think all 16 year old humans that haven't menstruated should be checked by a medical professional, that no 16 year old humans that haven't menstruated should be checked by a medical professional or that there is a particular group of 16 year old humans that should seek medical checks if they haven't menstruated? If the latter do you think this group is defined by biology or by liking pink things? If you acknowledge that there is a distinct category of humans that should be menstruating why do you think some people whose bodies are not of the type designed to menstruate belong in the circle of the venn diagram along with those who do a body of the type designed for menstruation? What is the grounds for their inclusion in this group?

SidewaysOtter · 25/09/2025 16:03

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 25/09/2025 06:32

I think we need to move away from this idea that if a child has cast in a film, at 10 or 11 years old, they have to then go onto agree with everything the author of the book which was optioned to make the films say years later.

To call someone ungrateful brat because they don’t agree with somebody is really unreasonable. Surely you can see that. she is an adult woman, with a right to her opinions.

Firstly, they were relatively young when they all condemned JKR and secondly I’ll refer to them how I please, thank you very much, so don’t police my language.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 16:01

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 15:50

Yup. One notices that even the most ardent TWAWers don't remotely believe it, because if they truly did, every now and again they'd make a decision that works out better for the Mk1 boring old cunty kind of woman.

What actually happens? They make sure that the Mk2 stunning and brave penisy kind are the ones that get pandered to. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

Absolutely.

If trans women really were women, no one would give a shit about what they want.

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 15:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 15:24

Don't be silly.

Real women should put up and shut up and accept that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Special trans women should be given everything they want, wrapped in a beautiful rainbow ribbon.

And that, my friend, is how we know they are men.

Yup. One notices that even the most ardent TWAWers don't remotely believe it, because if they truly did, every now and again they'd make a decision that works out better for the Mk1 boring old cunty kind of woman.

What actually happens? They make sure that the Mk2 stunning and brave penisy kind are the ones that get pandered to. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

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