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Well, hello Emma Watson

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crumpet · 24/09/2025 22:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15130209/Harry-Potter-Emma-Watson-treasures-J-K-Rowling-trans-rights.html

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ThatBlackCat · 25/09/2025 19:00

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

What does 'behaving like your sex' mean? You realise there are tomboys right? Or that's what they used to be classified as. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to be a boy or girl.

And maybe that boy is gay or that girl is lesbian. Do you realise what to trans away a gay child?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 18:59

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:45

No that's fair enough. I'm.not saying anything. Im saying what I've HEARD people with kids who they think are transgender say. So basically you are saying there is male and female and then there is just behaviour and you can't ascribe any particular behaviour to any particular sex. Fair enough.

Having a "trans child" is the new Münchhausen's by proxy.

MoProblems · 25/09/2025 18:58

DoinFineIThink · 25/09/2025 11:16

She's in her thirties! Again with the infantalizing of grown women in here. She's not a child.
Also says a lot that you won't even read anything not to your "view" as you find it too angering, maddening 🙄

She infantilised herself:

”I lost my licence because I’m used to others doing the grownup stuff”

is pretty ridiculous for a 30 year old to say.

LastTrainsEast · 25/09/2025 18:49

Tandora · 25/09/2025 13:57

Right. She won't forgive people who don't agree with her entirely warped and ignorant mischaracterising of healthcare for trans people.

healthcare? I hope you're not suggesting that being trans is some kind of illness that needs treating.

There are lots of men who identify as women without taking any drugs, removing body parts or even shaving their beard. Proof if needed that trans healthcare was invented by transphobes to make trans people sound damaged.

Every attempt to make trans healthcare a right is a cruel attack by people who hate trans.

AgentPidge · 25/09/2025 18:48

LastTrainsEast · 25/09/2025 18:42

Personally I think every man should have a legal right to sneak into women's changing rooms etc when they want to watch a women undress so it's unfair to just make that a trans right.

There you go - that's the nub of it. And it would be march in, not sneak in. But you can't limit it to blokes in dresses because that would discriminate against those who don't wear them. It would have to be all of them.

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:45

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 18:40

I have a son and a daughter and I absolutely know what sex they are and which one is the boy and which one is the girl. If I ever say I can't, I'm either lying or I've lost my mind. How do you think my husband and I knew which one of us had to take the pregnancy tests and go to the midwife appointments? Do you think we'll struggle to work out which child will need to be prepared for having periods?

I suspect (I know) that you're just talking about behaviours and performances. But any child can wear a dress and any child can like Barbie. We don't say a child is a girl because they like Barbie (well we shouldn't) because that's sexist, regressive and simply not true. I never liked Barbie. I was still a girl.

Are you seriously telling me that if my son says he wants a Barbie doll, or he feels like he's a girl, I should tell him that he is? And encourage him to go into girls' spaces and fuck them if they don't consent? Rather than just give him the doll and tell him boys can like dolls?

No that's fair enough. I'm.not saying anything. Im saying what I've HEARD people with kids who they think are transgender say. So basically you are saying there is male and female and then there is just behaviour and you can't ascribe any particular behaviour to any particular sex. Fair enough.

LastTrainsEast · 25/09/2025 18:42

Tandora · 25/09/2025 13:56

what comment was that?

er no that's how you want to frame the disagreement.

the actual disagreement is whether supporting trans rights is a threat to women's rights.

Personally I think every man should have a legal right to sneak into women's changing rooms etc when they want to watch a women undress so it's unfair to just make that a trans right.

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 18:40

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

I have a son and a daughter and I absolutely know what sex they are and which one is the boy and which one is the girl. If I ever say I can't, I'm either lying or I've lost my mind. How do you think my husband and I knew which one of us had to take the pregnancy tests and go to the midwife appointments? Do you think we'll struggle to work out which child will need to be prepared for having periods?

I suspect (I know) that you're just talking about behaviours and performances. But any child can wear a dress and any child can like Barbie. We don't say a child is a girl because they like Barbie (well we shouldn't) because that's sexist, regressive and simply not true. I never liked Barbie. I was still a girl.

Are you seriously telling me that if my son says he wants a Barbie doll, or he feels like he's a girl, I should tell him that he is? And encourage him to go into girls' spaces and fuck them if they don't consent? Rather than just give him the doll and tell him boys can like dolls?

Merrymouse · 25/09/2025 18:39

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:38

No I'm talking about people on TV I've seen who talk about how they knew their child was different from the sex they were given at birth. It's s straightforward question with no hidden agenda. I've seen and heard this from.parents.

Yes - these people are idiots.

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:38

Namelessnelly · 25/09/2025 18:14

How does a child behave as the opposite sex? Are you referring to outdated stupid gender stereotypes like boys liking cars and girls liking dolls? Come on mate. It’s 2025 not 1955

No I'm talking about people on TV I've seen who talk about how they knew their child was different from the sex they were given at birth. It's s straightforward question with no hidden agenda. I've seen and heard this from.parents.

Yawhat · 25/09/2025 18:34

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 25/09/2025 08:18

I thought this too and also wondered if the fact that her good friend Tom Felton,who came out in support of JKR but hasn't been cancelled (in fact the opposite as he's doing The Cursed Child on Broadway soon) had any effect.

I'm pretty sure that whatever her motive is for this it'll a self interested one and whilst I hope she stands by her words she is someone who as an actor who from a young ago has been used to being feted by everyone around her so I can see her backtracking when the backlash kicks in.

TRAs have harassed Tom for years for refusing to bow down to them or publicly blast JK. They detest him and have resorted to their old tricks of trying to pin him for all sorts of baseless wild shit, including child abuse. They're frothing, demented weirdos who defame the bloke constantly, so to a section of the HP fandom he has absolutely been cancelled.

ChocolateTriflefortwo · 25/09/2025 18:20

So when I was little, I hated dresses, loved bugs, woodwork and chemistry kits, preferred playing with boys outside climbing trees etc. Did sciences and technology at school. Love a bit of DIY with power tools. Does any of that make me a man?

Edited to say I only gained access to power tools as a teen.

teawamutu · 25/09/2025 18:20

Merrymouse · 25/09/2025 18:18

How do you explain the parents? Easy - they are idiots.

Or abusive.

Merrymouse · 25/09/2025 18:18

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

How do you explain the parents? Easy - they are idiots.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 18:18

ZoeCM · 25/09/2025 18:17

How could they possibly know that? What does "acting like a boy/girl" actually mean. Most of those parents probably have gender disappointment, and have convinced themselves that their child is of their desired sex.

I do wonder how much of it is down to gender disappointment.

Jackie Green is one of five boys, IIRC.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/09/2025 18:17

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

The parents are judging their children based on outdated, frankly toxic, gender stereotypes, @Daygloboo. There is a set of behaviours, likes, dislikes etc that is in the box marked girl, and a wholly different set in the box marked boy.

So, as @ThatCyanCat says, a boy who plays with a Barbie must really be a girl, because he is exhibiting a behaviour from the girl box. A girl who likes rough-and-tumble games, wears trousers and wants short hair is showing behaviours from the ‘boy’ box, so must be a boy.

Surely it is more progressive to abandon the gender stereotypes and say that biology determines a person's sex, but they can have any likes, dislikes, hobbies, activities, hair style, clothing that they want.

Basically a man/boy is someone of the male sex, with any character, NOT someone with either biological sex but masculine character, and a woman/girl is someone with female biology and any character, NOT someone of either biological sex but a (sweetly) feminine character!

ZoeCM · 25/09/2025 18:17

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

How could they possibly know that? What does "acting like a boy/girl" actually mean. Most of those parents probably have gender disappointment, and have convinced themselves that their child is of their desired sex.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 18:16

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

Well, yes, some people are attention seeking loonies.

ChocolateTriflefortwo · 25/09/2025 18:16

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

So you are saying that boys and girls are defined by regressive sex stereotypes?

Namelessnelly · 25/09/2025 18:14

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

How does a child behave as the opposite sex? Are you referring to outdated stupid gender stereotypes like boys liking cars and girls liking dolls? Come on mate. It’s 2025 not 1955

Greyskybluesky · 25/09/2025 18:12

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

But how do they "know" ?

BeGreatKhakiOtter · 25/09/2025 18:10

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Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 18:06

ThatCyanCat · 25/09/2025 17:47

What do you mean? Like if a boy likes Barbie? He's a boy who likes Barbie. A girl isn't a child who likes Barbie. I hated Barbie as a kid, did that make me a boy?

OK but maybe a bit more complex than that. I mean, you hear about parents who say they knew their child was the opposite from the one on their birth certificate.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/09/2025 17:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 17:51

I have two small children, one of each sex, and I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Can you give an example?

I am with you. I don’t understand this. Maybe time for this decision chart?

Well, hello Emma Watson
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/09/2025 17:51

Daygloboo · 25/09/2025 17:41

But how do you explain parents who notice their very small children behaving like the opposite sex. How does that tie in with the argument?

I have two small children, one of each sex, and I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Can you give an example?