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cigarsmokingwoman · 24/09/2025 12:39

DD is a 1st year student at a university in Scotland and frequently comes home (she commutes) bursting because she doesn't want to use the student toilets which are apparently all unisex with urinals. She tells me she wanders the building in vain for a female only toilet and even tries going to other student buildings and cannot find them. Yesterday she says she was walking around for 20 minutes before giving up out of desperation and using the unisex one. I wonder how many other universities are the same? It's appalling. DD will not complain or cause a scene but it makes her very uncomfortable.

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cigarsmokingwoman · 24/09/2025 18:46

sorry you had that experience @AstonsGerbil and @FancySheep I think you're talking out your arse.

DD is not the type to complain or draw attention to herself unfortunately and I doubt I'd get anywhere without her consent to complain. She tells me male students were openlly laughing at her discomfort in the union as she washed her hands whilst they peed.

PS DD is only 17

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Goodworkifyoucangetit · 24/09/2025 18:42

Having to use toilets where there are men using urinals is outrageous. I think your daughter would probably have a case for sex discrimination (all students are expected to use unisex toilets, but this affects only women adversely = indirect sex discrimination.)

IwantToRetire · 24/09/2025 18:03

Sorry, but have found this map of the university grounds and has a search function.

And in asking for toilets says there are 2 that are female.

See https://www.stir.ac.uk/about/getting-here/getting-around-campus/

Of course it may well be that they aren't women only as per the supreme court ruling even though Scottish Parliament has said with the ruling sex should now mean biology.

And if the map is incorrect then she could complain about that, and where do they suggest that students who want single sex services as allowed for under the EA are meant to go. eg are there staff toilets that are single sex.

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IwantToRetire · 24/09/2025 17:57

Not saying AI is totallly reliable, but this is what it says:

While specific campus maps detailing toilet locations aren't readily available online, University of Stirling likely provides single-sex (women's) toilets, as this is a legal requirement under UK employment law for staff facilities. To locate them, you should check the campus directory for building maps or inquire at an information desk upon arrival, as the University's online resources do not show detailed information on individual facilities.

How to Find Women's Toilets at Stirling University
Campus Directory & Maps: Look for building maps and directories on the University's official website or within the campus.
Information Desks: Visit an information desk on campus and ask for directions to the nearest women's toilets.
Signage: On-site, look for standard signage indicating single-sex toilets.

Legal Context for Toilets
Single-Sex Facilities:
Under the Equality Act 2010, service providers (like universities) can provide single-sex services, including toilets, and must have separate facilities for men and women in many contexts.
Employer Obligations:
For staff facilities, employers are legally required to provide separate, well-ventilated, and well-lit single-sex toilets for male and female staff under the 1992 Regulations.
Gender-Neutral Toilets:
Many institutions also offer gender-neutral facilities for trans and non-binary individuals, which can be helpful in situations where gendered bathrooms may be uncomfortable.

IwantToRetire · 24/09/2025 17:52

Not sure why some are being quite hostile and being rude to OP and about her daughter.

At that age (18?) I was still quite shy or not good in new public situations. And can imagine trying to find out for myself (ie keeping a low profile) if there was a singe sex women's toilet.

Does the University not provide a map of the University buildings with info about where various facilities are including toilets?

And if on visiting them all they are all unisex, I would have thought she had the option to complain but ... can also see this might not be how she wants to start her University experience.

Is it possible FWS could give her advice. ie is the law in Scotland different. I thought even prior to the supreme court ruling public buildings should provide a range of toilets, ie single sex, gender neutral, disabled, and maybe with changing facilities.

I supose, ie supect the students union will not be sympathetic otherwise they should be the ones to help her.

As a first year does she get the option of some sort of personal support and if so can she not raise it with them about how it is impacting on her.

And it is irrelevant if others aren't bothered this is about her right to feel comfortable with what are basic facilities.

FancySheep · 24/09/2025 17:35

MarieDeGournay · 24/09/2025 15:38

Super. But are these gender-neutral toilets in addition to the required single sex provision?

Since these gender-neutral toilets are for 'transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals' is the ratio of them to single-sex toilets in proportion to the small number of transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals in society?

You say transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals may feel unsafe or uncomfortable in traditional gendered 'bathrooms'.

Hopefully that helps them understand why women feel unsafe or uncomfortable in mixed-sex toilets, and why single-sex facilities must be available?

Single sex provision isn’t required if there are individual lockable mixed sex cubicles with a sink.

I’m trans and feel perfectly comfortable in traditional gendered bathrooms, or at least I did until recently. Now I should be using these gender neutral toilets that I also don’t like for the same reasons, so I do empathise with feeling uncomfortable, but these spaces are necessary if people like me can’t use traditional spaces.

AstonsGerbil · 24/09/2025 17:06

cigarsmokingwoman · 24/09/2025 13:19

It's stirling university and you can google all the news about gender neutral toilets on campus.
I have not seen them myself so I can only take my DDs word for it and I don't really want her to be taking pictures of people or anything as proof.
If there are single sex toilets, then as a new student, she would indeed like to know where these are!

I knew it. I KNEW it would be bloody Stirling uni. My old uni. I got attacked (and kid you not) nearly bundled into a taxi by a group of male students on campus back in 2001 and they did.not.give.a.shit when I complained. I was doing a late night work at the computer lab (didn't have my own) and they followed me after coming out the union. I was in trackies and had a cap on with my wee backpack. So not exactly "asking for it".

Misogynistic to their core.

RhymesWithOrange · 24/09/2025 17:02

I can well believe this. Universities are falling over themselves to get rid of single sex toilets and replace them with mixed sex.

Pleasealexa · 24/09/2025 16:59

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Pleasealexa · 24/09/2025 15:58

One near me put “all gender” signs on the men’s (still with urinals)

I think this is common.."all gender" and one that says ,,"urinals" .which means they are single sex for men but not women.

BananaPeels · 24/09/2025 15:50

Softpebbles · 24/09/2025 15:41

I spend some time on a university campus and whilst not had the urinal issue I have had the issue of toilet seats with pee all over them, seats left up and strong smells of urine. I now refuse to use mixed toilets and hunt for the female only ones which seem to be much cleaner.

My office has only unisex enclosed toilets with sinks. The women recently got together and collectively complained to the building management. The men were leaving them in a complete state. Pee all over the seats. Poo all in the bottom and they stank. We even had an incident where a man just walked in without thinking and started to pee with the door slightly ajar genuinely not thinking about that women might be walking past. I think they had to pretty much have a permanent cleaner to go in and make sure they were kept fresher.

Softpebbles · 24/09/2025 15:41

I spend some time on a university campus and whilst not had the urinal issue I have had the issue of toilet seats with pee all over them, seats left up and strong smells of urine. I now refuse to use mixed toilets and hunt for the female only ones which seem to be much cleaner.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/09/2025 15:40

cinquanta · 24/09/2025 15:30

Because the OP’s DD may be making it up or embellishing.

Hence the ‘you’ in italics.

I'm sure if the poster thought that she wouldn't have started a thread about it, would she?

Dearover · 24/09/2025 15:38

There is a Wayfinder map. Put female toilet into the search bar and it comes up with a list of buildings and the floors they are on. You get a different list if you enter gender neutral toilets. She can try the library for starters.

(I have nothing to do with Stirling, but was intrigued)

MarieDeGournay · 24/09/2025 15:38

Sheiswaiting · 24/09/2025 13:34

Yes, University of Stirling provides gender-neutral toilet facilities, but they do not contain urinals; instead, they are self-contained cubicles with toilets and sinks. These facilities are available across the campus, with locations detailed on the university's estates website. The inclusion of these gender-neutral facilities supports inclusivity for transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals who may feel unsafe or uncomfortable in traditional gendered bath-
rooms.

Super. But are these gender-neutral toilets in addition to the required single sex provision?

Since these gender-neutral toilets are for 'transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals' is the ratio of them to single-sex toilets in proportion to the small number of transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals in society?

You say transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals may feel unsafe or uncomfortable in traditional gendered 'bathrooms'.

Hopefully that helps them understand why women feel unsafe or uncomfortable in mixed-sex toilets, and why single-sex facilities must be available?

cinquanta · 24/09/2025 15:30

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/09/2025 13:24

But you did say " are you sure'?

Because the OP’s DD may be making it up or embellishing.

Hence the ‘you’ in italics.

Grammarnut · 24/09/2025 15:24

Ellebelieve · 24/09/2025 12:41

Has she never found one?

Presuming she has, surely just return to those

or go at the station?

or coffee shop?

loads of options!

You are assuming she never needs to go at a time between arriving and leaving. This is not the case. And why should she have to? Single sex toilets are the basics of civilised provision for women (and men, who surely don't feel comfortable with women walking passed while they use a urinal?).

Sheiswaiting · 24/09/2025 15:24

There is not one single gender neutral toilet in sterling university with urinals. Fact.

Your DD has been telling porkies to you op

GoldenGate · 24/09/2025 14:10

Ellebelieve · 24/09/2025 12:41

Has she never found one?

Presuming she has, surely just return to those

or go at the station?

or coffee shop?

loads of options!

Sorry but why should the female students have to find alternatives? The setup clearly suits the men.

GoldenGate · 24/09/2025 14:09

I seriously doubt they've added urinals to all the former female toilets? Still an issue if male students are sharing the space, even if all are perfectly behaved and respectful of womens' dignity.

thornbury · 24/09/2025 13:53

At Bath they have his, hers and either. Is it possible that there are some she hasn't found yet? I would raise this with the SU.

Sheiswaiting · 24/09/2025 13:34

Yes, University of Stirling provides gender-neutral toilet facilities, but they do not contain urinals; instead, they are self-contained cubicles with toilets and sinks. These facilities are available across the campus, with locations detailed on the university's estates website. The inclusion of these gender-neutral facilities supports inclusivity for transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming individuals who may feel unsafe or uncomfortable in traditional gendered bath-
rooms.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/09/2025 13:24

Ellebelieve · 24/09/2025 13:06

I don’t believe that you are making this up / embellishing the detail

But you did say " are you sure'?

cigarsmokingwoman · 24/09/2025 13:19

Ellebelieve · 24/09/2025 13:13

Exactly
if we knew the university, then we could help identify all the single sex toilets!

It's stirling university and you can google all the news about gender neutral toilets on campus.
I have not seen them myself so I can only take my DDs word for it and I don't really want her to be taking pictures of people or anything as proof.
If there are single sex toilets, then as a new student, she would indeed like to know where these are!

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MarieDeGournay · 24/09/2025 13:18

Frankly I'd believe anything about the lengths institutions, businesses and venues are prepared to go to to avoid providing women-only spaces and to avoid having to comply with the SC ruling.
They seem willing to ignore building regs, health and safety regs, workplace regs etc to make absolutely sure that women have no designated spaces.

E.g by removing existing single sex facilities that are building regs compliant AND work perfectly well for the vast majority of the population, and replacing them with 'unisex' facilities, some of which are clearly not regs compliant at all.

Maybe that's what the OP's DD has experienced at her uni. It wouldn't surprise me.

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