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TempestTost · 23/09/2025 23:51

Merrymouse · 23/09/2025 18:51

And that they politicise every kind of assassination attempt or mass shooting in that way.

Do they though? Apart from calling for tighter gun laws, which in any other country would be completely apolitical stance.

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Yes, they do. It's become a partisan wedge issue much like abortion was.

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TempestTost · 23/09/2025 23:50

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 23/09/2025 17:59

Do you get though that not giving a fully balanced appraisal of the worst sins of both left and right doesn't mean he claimed the killer was MAGA?

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I think it was very much implied that it was in what he said and that was likely deliberate.

It also characterises what was in fact a fairly accurate guess as spin.

I already don't trust Kimmel farther than I could throw him, so I am probably inclined to think he is being dishonest, and maybe that's unfair. But I think he's a very manipulative speaker and I wouldn't put much past him.

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Merrymouse · 23/09/2025 18:51

TempestTost · 23/09/2025 17:39

It's not in isolation, though.

Surely if that was his point he would also have pointed out that the left did the exact same thing, immediately trying to pin it on the right wing. And that they politicise every kind of assassination attempt or mass shooting in that way.

That would be a different story than the one he told. Which is a fairly typical approach from a lot of left wing media - you don't tell lies, you omit things that don't pain the picture you want people to see.

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And that they politicise every kind of assassination attempt or mass shooting in that way.

Do they though? Apart from calling for tighter gun laws, which in any other country would be completely apolitical stance.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 23/09/2025 17:59

TempestTost · 23/09/2025 17:39

It's not in isolation, though.

Surely if that was his point he would also have pointed out that the left did the exact same thing, immediately trying to pin it on the right wing. And that they politicise every kind of assassination attempt or mass shooting in that way.

That would be a different story than the one he told. Which is a fairly typical approach from a lot of left wing media - you don't tell lies, you omit things that don't pain the picture you want people to see.

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Do you get though that not giving a fully balanced appraisal of the worst sins of both left and right doesn't mean he claimed the killer was MAGA?

IwantToRetire · 23/09/2025 17:42

That's a shame as he has been re-instated.

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TempestTost · 23/09/2025 17:40

Pices · 23/09/2025 12:40

Everyone has their line and they found theirs. The more people who see the danger the better.

Do you think they will be applying that to people like Amy Hamm though? If this was the thing that allowed them to see that there has been a lot of suppressed discussion that would be great, but that does not seem likely.

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TempestTost · 23/09/2025 17:39

Merrymouse · 23/09/2025 14:16

In isolation, I think that means that the MAGA right were trying to politicise the killing by assigning blame to others. I don't think that point is arguable, given that they did immediately blame the left (even before the killer had been identified), and they are not the left.

I haven't watched a full clip of what he said, so I don't know whether his other comments imply that he was blaming the MAGA right.

I agree that there has been hypocrisy re: free speech from multiple commentators. I no longer think left/right adequately describes political divides.

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It's not in isolation, though.

Surely if that was his point he would also have pointed out that the left did the exact same thing, immediately trying to pin it on the right wing. And that they politicise every kind of assassination attempt or mass shooting in that way.

That would be a different story than the one he told. Which is a fairly typical approach from a lot of left wing media - you don't tell lies, you omit things that don't pain the picture you want people to see.

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DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 23/09/2025 16:00

Yes, I'm surprised how many people haven't realised that Kimmel carefully did not say the Kirk shooter was on the left. The point he made was correct, and would be so regardless of the shooter's politics. It wouldn't surprise me if the comment had been lawyered before he made it.

That said, it's correct that some people had nothing to say about blatant attempts to shit all over free speech before now. Let's hope now they've spoken out in favour, it won't be the last time!

byronwrote · 23/09/2025 14:23

TempestTost · 23/09/2025 12:18

I am very curious as to what you think that means?

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It means you were incorrect in your statement that JK "claimed that Charlie Kirk's assassin was on the MAGA right."

Merrymouse · 23/09/2025 14:16

TempestTost · 23/09/2025 12:18

I am very curious as to what you think that means?

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In isolation, I think that means that the MAGA right were trying to politicise the killing by assigning blame to others. I don't think that point is arguable, given that they did immediately blame the left (even before the killer had been identified), and they are not the left.

I haven't watched a full clip of what he said, so I don't know whether his other comments imply that he was blaming the MAGA right.

I agree that there has been hypocrisy re: free speech from multiple commentators. I no longer think left/right adequately describes political divides.

Pices · 23/09/2025 12:40

Everyone has their line and they found theirs. The more people who see the danger the better.

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TempestTost · 23/09/2025 12:18

byronwrote · 23/09/2025 11:05

I don't really think that JK ought to have been fired for claiming that Charlie Kirk's assassin was on the MAGA right

He didn't say that, he said

"The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them"

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I am very curious as to what you think that means?

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/09/2025 11:34

TempestTost · 23/09/2025 10:41

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/mclachlan-free-speech-1.7640191

I don't really think that JK ought to have been fired for claiming that Charlie Kirk's assassin was on the MAGA right, however, I am disappointed but not surprised to see a bunch of female pop stars come out in favour of free speech over this, rather than all the suppression of free speech that's being going on elsewhere in Canada the last 10 years.

Not a peep about the McMaster fiasco, or over the Zucker fiasco, but they'll come out for that moron Jimmy Kimmel. Who probably should have been fired for not being very funny years ago along with Jon Stewart.

Not to mention the gender critical Canadian nurse facing being struck off for endorsing JK Rowling.

byronwrote · 23/09/2025 11:05

TempestTost · 23/09/2025 10:41

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/mclachlan-free-speech-1.7640191

I don't really think that JK ought to have been fired for claiming that Charlie Kirk's assassin was on the MAGA right, however, I am disappointed but not surprised to see a bunch of female pop stars come out in favour of free speech over this, rather than all the suppression of free speech that's being going on elsewhere in Canada the last 10 years.

Not a peep about the McMaster fiasco, or over the Zucker fiasco, but they'll come out for that moron Jimmy Kimmel. Who probably should have been fired for not being very funny years ago along with Jon Stewart.

I don't really think that JK ought to have been fired for claiming that Charlie Kirk's assassin was on the MAGA right

He didn't say that, he said

"The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them"

Brainworm · 23/09/2025 10:50

I hope that those for whom this is the first experience that has resonated regarding the problem with ‘cancelling’, that this will become a useful reference experience against which they can think about cancellation of those they disagree with.

However, ideologues will always think that it is justifiable to have rules that work for their ideology against others.