Sarah McLachlan cancels Lilith Faire in solidarity with Jimmy Kimmel

You know Kimmel is:

A. A comedian &
B. didn't say anything factually incorrect right?

I don't think you can talk about "professional standards" for late night comedy. If Kimmel had defamed someone it would go through a civil suit. Brendan Carr is explicitly not allowed to do what he did by threatening a license. The two cases are simply not comparable.

I thought @TempestTost comparing Kimmel and Hamm's situations was a bit of a long bow. But it really is the same issue, isn't it? The quesiton of professional standards, and when / whether or not its right that being the face of an institution means said institution can tie what you are permitted to say in public with your livelihood.

Her intention was to draw attention to the disrespectful language used by medical professionals and others when talking about women. That is not a 'false equivalence' that is exactly equivalent.

As far as fetishes goes, it was the panel's broad brush that was doing the smearing by claiming that.

So no patient was treated without dignity or respect, no patient complained.

False equivalence. Intention matters when using language & hers wasn't being respectful where it is when used in a medical context.

As far as fetishes goes, that some individuals indulge in them isn't necessarily representative of the group. This is classic broad brush smearing stuff.

People with ovaries, uterus havers, etc?

And many TIM have openly admitted it is a fetish.

Tranada where truth goes to have MAID.

Derogatory & discriminatory statements aren't exactly treating people with dignity & respect or 'common sense'.

Yeah, and...?

"The panel reviewed many social media posts, which ranged in content from Hamm questioning COVID-19 language guides for how health care professionals should refer to trans people, to her referring to trans people as "penis people" and suggesting their gender identification is a fetish.

"It is unacceptable to use a professional nursing designation in conjunction with the public expression of discriminatory and derogatory statements targeting vulnerable and marginalized members of a community as such statements risks that members of that community will lose trust in the health care system and may be reluctant or unwilling to seek health care," the panel found.

That's not the same as you posted upthread. Amy Hamm doesn't campaign against TiM, she calls them men and says they're not the same as women. Common sense in other words. Tranada is so lost.

Nah, this isn't about lack of effort or belief from the cancellers. They just misunderstood how many people disagreed with them and how much those people's money talked. Btw the left doesn't deserve all the glory here, right wingers who care about free speech boycotted also. To their credit.

I agree with you on Amy Hamm.

They don't have to be. It's like a doctor using his doctor status as an activist against homosexuals, immigrants etc. The actions just have be reasonably considered to have eroded public trust in the health system for him to be guilty pf professional misconduct.

So no patient was treated without dignity or respect.

I think the problem was that she brought the health care systems into disrepute effectively creating a public trust issue.

"It is unacceptable to use a professional nursing designation in conjunction with the public expression of discriminatory and derogatory statements targeting vulnerable and marginalized members of a community as such statements risks that members of that community will lose trust in the health care system and may be reluctant or unwilling to seek health care," the panel found.

Well he's back

https://archive.ph/uSjPj

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/24/jimmy-kimmels-achingly-unfunny-return-cancellation/

The right are mostly rubbish at cancelling, you'd almost think their hearts aren't in it. No, if you want a proper cancelling I'd pick the be kinders every time.

Btw if anyone can come up with a single example of Amy Hamm not treating a patient with dignity and respect I'd love to hear it. The panel that prejudged her couldn't.

Yeah, I think it's really important we don't go down the road of expecting TV comedians to adhere to a presidential standard of what constitutes fair balance. That's not what comedy is for.

Some comedians are politically biased, and they're allowed to be. Some genuinely aren't, but there are going to be times when one side does things that they think of funnier jokes about, and that isn't necessarily going to work out as 50/50 across a career, or even a series. An individual comedian might do a better impression of JD Vance than they do of Joe Biden, and choose to focus on this in their comedy for practical reasons. This is also ok. It is not a good thing for anyone if the executive are allowed to try interfere with what comedians can say. And there are a loooooot of people who disagree politically with Kimmel who get this. If nothing else, self-interest should do it.

The people who've tried to justify the decision have, from what I've seen, mostly done so on the basis that Kimmel lied and said MAGA were responsible for the shooting. And he didn't. That's not what those words mean.

I'm confused - are you saying that anyone commenting on gun control in America after a mass shooting is politicising the issue in the same way that Trump has politicised this killing?

But does that matter particularly? However you look at it it was a fairly mild joke.

It’s like Starmer pressuring the BBC to fire Graham Norton over a mild joke that’s critical of the government. Now, obviously you can dislike Starmer, but he’s never said that a comedian (or any critical news programme like GB news) should be off air because they said something negative. He’s not tweeting all the time that ant and dec or Michael McIntyre must be next to go.

A Fox News presenter/commentator person said that maybe homelessness should be dealt with using lethal injection. This is a news presenter, not a comedian, and it wasn’t a joke. And no one thinks he should be off air. He can have his opinion.

Kimmel’s comment was mild and forgettable. And even if it was unfair against the government, so what?

It does sound like you're letting your feelings about Kimmel get in the way here, then. Fair play for accepting that might be a possibility.

Nobody is saying he has to be liked or trusted, but that doesn't mean people can say the words he used had a meaning he didn't. MAGA people were trying to distance themselves from the shooter, at a time when nobody knew who it was, no getting around that. And that's what Kimmel was slagging off. That simply doesn't imply that he's saying they were responsible for the killing.

Obviously people might think it was reasonable for those people to start throwing around blame based solely on assumption, and they're entitled to that view, but that's something different again.

The whole issue is that the head of the FCC threatened ABC/Disney. That;'s not on. Kimmel's comments were mild. Yes, the governor was reporting that the shooter was a leftist but he was also saying that before there was any evidence, so there was quite a lot of skepticism. Also, he said Trump was crying like a 4yo who lost his goldfish. It was not a firing offence, and ABC didn't care until Carr opened his mouth. That takes it into free speech territory. Kimmel was still correct because politicians tried to make it about the left before they even knew who the shooter was. It was desperate and obvious. I have noticed (I live in the USA) that the politicians have been very quiet about the shooter himself since the text messages were released; it's all about turning Kirk into a martyr.

Also, I initially thought that Kimmel said what he did because he believed the shooter /was/ MAGA.

If what people are saying here is true, and it was weasel words to imply but avoid saying directly what he knew to not be true - I don't quite know what to make of that. No it's not the same kind of problem as state institutions interferring with artistic decisions of comedians, but it is disturbingly manipulative.

The issue of pro-Gaza protest groups being proscribed seems to have woken up Owen Jones - given that he spoke out to criticise Glinner's arrest.
And I never would have seen that coming.
So it is possible.

Ultimately Kimmel didn't day anything that wasn't factual. MAGA were in fact attempting to distance themselves from the shooter.

Amy Hamm was found guilty of professional misconduct though so that's different from free speech censorship. Nurses in Canada (like many other countries) are expected to treat patients with dignity & respect even if they don't believe they 'deserve it'.

Probs because hate speech is rightly illegal in Canada & UK as it is any many other countries.