Is it safety or separation?

Safe space for me. All the time. Every day.

And I feel like a fucking broken record on this board.

but.

I was a victim of a violent rape and sexual assault.

One of my trauma triggers is being behind a closed door where there’s a man on the other side.

Removing the exemption in the EA means I would become even more housebound as I wouldn’t be able to use the bathroom if I needed to when out.

(Excepting the fact that I can use the disabled because I’m physically disabled. And I also got the bonus awards of adhd and asd.)

Sorry to all who’ve read me saying this a million times already.

Women have single sex spaces for dignity, privacy and saftey.

Women also have the right to organise without the premission or inclusion of men.

I don't want men in women's spaces. I don't care whether they wear a dress or trousers, or what they think they are. It's really not that difficult to understand. Men do not belong in women's spaces. It doesn't need discussion or justification.

It is irrelevant and doesn’t need justifying…

a space for women is only for women (inc those who think they are men)

a space for men is only for men (including those who think they are women!)

a ‘trans woman’ is a man so goes in men’s spaces

really not difficult…

I see the use of the new 'trans' people again, moving the goal posts won't work, it's men women don't want in their single sex spaces, prison's, sports etc, trying to change the narrative won't change the situation. Not people just men and we are not opposing we are reclaiming our rights

OP do you not understand why single sex spaces exist? You've probably got some research to do before tackling the trans topic.

They may overlap but are not the same thing, and while a lot of the discussion is focused on safety, the tone and some arguments hint that addressing safety won't be enough for many people to feel comfortable. Instead, a place without males is sought.

A place without males is key to securing that safety for women.

We don't want male free spaces because we think boy have cooties.

It's because they commit 100% of rapes and over 98% of all sexual assaults.

It's because they can physically overpower us.

It's because we can't tell which ones are dangerous and which ones are not until we have already been harmed.

And it's because, if we have already been harmed by a man, just being in a space like that with a member of the opposite sex is enough to re-traumatise us even if they don't actually do anything other than be there.

But you're right, safety is not the be all and end all of the argument. Safety is a good enough reason to keep all male people out of women's spaces. But so is, "We just want female only spaces."

Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? Women saying "no" should have been the end of the discussion.

Women’s safety, dignity and privacy requires men, however they may identify, to be kept out of certain spaces that are female only - changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards, prisons.

Sometimes women also want social groups that are just for them (as men do), and so no men are allowed in those either.

but we’re not opposing transgender people in women’s spaces. We’re opposing males in women’s spaces. All females are welcome in women’s spaces. Males aren’t as they have their own spaces. Or did you forget transmen existed?

Why can't it be both?