Is it safety or separation?

I find the lack of empathy absolutely astonishing

You're not as safe in a car as you are in a plane. You're safer on a motorway than on a two way road.
Your argument is pointless. Of course people want to be exposed to the least risk. Nobody will never be exposed to risk.
Were you bored and fancied poking the hornets nest for something to do this morning?

Please show more respect and empathy. „Well“? „You’re lucky“?!?! If you toned down the campaigning righteousness you may even be more convincing; as it is, set against Taztoy‘s posts, yours helpfully exemplify the lack of understanding women in her position face, and the need for society to listen to them.

(This is before we even get to the laughable absurdity of „why aren’t you just as scared of the sex that DON’T commit 98% of sexual assaults and DON‘T have a massive physical advantage over you, too?“ Well, gosh… it’s complicated… 🙄)

So sorry to hear that.
Big hug from me. (I am shit at emojis...)

I am sorry to hear that. That must be difficult for you to navigate then.

However, organisations are expected to provide facilities that are sex segregated based on providing robust safeguarding and they may choose to provide additional facilities for those who are able to use by who reject using the single sex space that has been provided for them.

There is no possible way to provide any 100% safe space with public access. While sex segregation will provide a certain level of safety, it cannot provide 100% safety as yes, there will always be female people who may cause harm to other female people in those spaces. That, of course, is known and understood as a risk that society must accept in using publicly provided single sex spaces.

Taz, I hope that youre okay, and that you find a way through. As for apologising for talking about your experiences, you don't need to. The whole point of this board is to help women.

Mine gave me genital herpes and hpv. Bonus.

What's wrong with both or either?
You talk as though you think trans women have one iota of compassion for women.
Have a look at India Willoughby's reaction (on twitter) when a woman explained how she experienced such heavy periods that she had to wash her knickers in the sink in the ladies. And how, if males had been present she would have felt so much more embarrassed and uncomfortable. If he really had empathy or relatability he would understand and not have highlighted her tweet to ridicule and show his disgust and innate lack of understanding.

This is such a naive take.

I also never ever said I drop my guard around women.

I am hyper aroused and hyper vigilant at ALL times. Even when in my own home. 24/7 I am never dropping my guard. Ever.

Thats not true. They seek out men who share their desires so they can act them out. This comes from the idea that women arent ever really repaonsible and a man coerced them into it.

No my argument is not that. My argument is that you arent safe in a single sex space and more women have perverted interests or enable sex offenders than you know. So always take precaution with everyone. Don't encourage your daughters that it's fine to get naked in front of anyone who is a woman, things like that.

I never said I feel SAFE in single sex spaces.

objectively, however, I am SAFER.

Nobody aha argued with needing sex segregation. What i am arguing is that you arent as safe around women as you believe and especially young girls are not

There are many more sexual and other assaults committed by men which never get reported to the police, or never are prosecuted.

Basically your message is, women are just as likely to hurt women as men are, therefore there is no point to single sex spaces.

You are wrong.

Plus safety is not the only reason for single sex spaces. We like them in certain circumstances. Women and men want them.

💯

I really annoys me that women like you have to explain why they are wary and frightened of men, to justify why men shouldn't be somewhere where they shouldn't have been in the first place.
I'm so sorry that you've had these experiences and I wish you didn't feel like you had to write about them to explain to idiots why we should have single sex facilities .

Lofty, your experience is obviously colouring your attitude. Naturally. However, I don't think it's healthy for you to argue about risks generally, based on your specific experience.

Because People are just going to pushback on the basis of statistical likelihood.

You have made it quite clear why you think as you do, and people are sympathetic. But in terms of women's general safety and the reason why we need sex segregation, I'm afraid it's irrelevant, for the simple reason that we cannot eliminate all risk.

we can't remove risky women from women's spaces I'm afraid.

Female sex offenders often offend with men - they don't tend to operate on their own. The big threat is still men, as most women in a female space are not going to attack another woman. That might change if they could come in with a man of course - but that simply supports the basic premise that we should exclude all men.

Letting trans identifying men in definitely won't make us be or feel safer.

I didn't say that.
I said that the possibility of pregnancy or contracting an STD would be on the mind of any woman who has been raped.

Ive also seen female sexual abusers get off with their crimes as they were perceived as victims. So the statistics for me are skewered anyway. There arent more female sex offenders than ,male ones, but there are more than we know.

No its becauae I've met enough women who are harmful to not feel particularly safer around them.

No you dont think "oh thank God I couldn't have got pregnant" after youre violated by anyone. This is like parents who allow their homosexual teens more sexual freedom with their peers based on the idea they cannot conceive so its fine to have sex.

Is that because you don't understand crime statistics?

You are blaming women for men raping?