Is it safety or separation?

I’m sorry you were sexually abused and assaulted. But what are you advocating for here?

Who is giving away anything? I just suggested cubicles in a single spaced changing room. Stop fabricating things to pretend youre having an argument.

I have already explained that.

I suggest you read my posts.

I don’t feel unsafe around women, but I also prefer a seperate changing room based on sex, with individual cubicles within it.

I don’t like wandering around a mixed sex changing room/village after a shower. I don’t really like changing in a mixed sex room even in a cubicle next to a man. Past sexual assaults and filming with a hidden camera have left me very wary of strange men.

Although I’ve been abroad and been in total nudity single sex changing rooms with tonnes of nude women, I didn’t feel unsafe, I’m just too self conscious, so that would be dignity.

So now because I won't agree with you, its all "she must be a man", don't speak to her etc. What a petty group of adults!

Nobody is freezing you out.

It's simply that women's rights aren't yours to give away.

Well hello Bunny

So nice to meet the real you😬

Woman on woman is equal. Men can kill women easily. Man on woman is not equal. Hence why women have these spaces for safety. Saying 'oh women can harm too' is a spurious desperate argument and it holds no water.

Why cant you cope with a cubicle within a female changing space?

indeed. On another thread they claim to be a midwife....I sincerely hope not!

There's been a campaign to redefine single sex spaces as safe spaces. This has lead to two things - that these spaces are seen as places for all vulnerable people, and the argument that as nowhere can be 100% safe, they are pointless.

But single sex changing rooms and toilets are as much about dignity, practicality and inclusion as increased saftey. Without these spaces, lots of women wouldnt use gyms or be able to be far from home.

No one is pretending that getting changed in a council run swimming pool is fun, but its more accessible for more women than if it was mixed sex.

Was it you who thought that young woman yesterday was a man? Is this why youre now trying to have me frozen out?

I beg your pardon?

So it is because you don't understand crime statistics then.

To be clear. My pool has single sex changing and within the women’s (I’ve never been in the men’s so I don’t know what it’s like) there are both cubicles and communal changing spaces.

Have read a bit further and would advise posters not to engage with LoftyRobin. The lack of empathy and focus on goading a victim of assault is increasingly disturbing. I don’t know if the aim is to exemplify their own points about women‘s capacity for unpleasantness in real time, or if they’re a man, but either way, I find it worrying. Meanwhile, the stark difference in tone and content between their own and Taztoy‘s replies frankly makes our argument for us, as such posters do often do.

💯 this

We have needs and wants and thankfully the SC have confirmed that we have rights, in certain circumstances (which already meet the proportionality test), to single sex spaces, associations, facilties and opportunities.

And please. Don’t call me silly. That’s diminishing and belittling me and my trauma. Thank you.

But women like me couldn’t cope with all cubicles. So why can’t we have both cubicles (for those who want to use them) and shared single sex spaces for those who don’t and who are happy to take the risk (as you see it) of changing in a communal space?

Again, this is how the pool I use is configured.

This is a very silly post.

I think demanding single sex spaces on the grounds of safety is silly as women harm too. Separation is why it is necessary and there is nothing wrong with that. Its also why I dont believe in communal changing rooms at all (cublices FTW) because I think people should be separated when in that condition of vulnerability. It makes sense to divide changing areas by sex but discourage communal nudity by having cubicles. That would be safer.

Legally, it's both. In the UK, the sexes are treated identically in law (tax, pensions, the right to marry, everything), except where the law provides specific exceptions, either for good practical reasons, or because it's what everybody wants and it's harmless.

So, the male primogeniture rule for peerages is considered a harmless tradition, which operates based on birth sex, not GRC gender.

Clubs for people with a shared characteristic (lesbians, Rastafarians, men with sheds) are allowed because on balance they're a social good.

Schemes to boost underrepresented groups (men in nursing, women in parliament) are allowed. The groups can't be merged (eg women and transwomen) because they will be over or underrepresented to different extents and for different reasons.

Service providers can cater for men and women differently and/or separately if there's a good enough reason, including safety, fairness and modesty. It's a given that both sexes are modest about undressing and toileting, and the worked examples make it plain that women fugitives from male violence (eg in DV services) are entitled to exclude anyone who looks like a man, whether s/he is one or not. Similarly, men can exclude women just to protect their modesty, if undressing is involved.

It's hard to see how anyone could object.

I have to say I felt dead lucky when I was having LLETZ. lying there with my legs akimbo whilst they burnt off the dodgy cells HE GAVE ME.

I felt dead lucky with I had to tell my new boyfriend I had herpes.

never mind explaining how I might react due to the rape.

pure dead lucky me. 🙄

(sarcasm alert)

I am actually not sure what your argument is.

Is it that we are never safe anywhere so don't drop your guard, but also that we should not demand that we have single sex spaces because you don't believe they are safe anyway?

For instance, because we cannot get 100% safe, we should not aim to get as high a standard of safety as we can by excluding male people from female single sex spaces? Is that what you are saying? That everywhere may as well be mixed sex because we cannot achieve 100% safety?

Or that we should have single sex spaces that exclude all male people over the age of 8 years old but that we should not feel safe there?