Is it safety or separation?

Good idea, that looks very helpful - I haven't seen that before

Don't JADE - Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain.

This may be useful for some folk who haven't come across it before - I first learned about it here on FWR.

God be with days when the worst we had to fear was Myers-Briggs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator

or amateur Astrology

Keating didn’t say it was a personality trait. Keating said it was a feeling, “he feels like a woman”.

You seem to be muddled up between ‘personality traits’ and ‘feelings’.

They aren’t the same thing.

Its a shame that Aston student had such a silly angle of research. There could be a lot learned from how males intervene on online spaces set aside for women, if someone cared to analyse it.

I suspect our friend will be back.

Why?

Because he gets off on seeing any of us upset and the point is, if he doesn't get his own way, to make us suffer or to punish us.

He gives no fucks as to how his actions affect others, so why are we expecting it.

Keep this in mind.

I did think when I read that that we had a moment of crystalline clarity with that sentence. The lack of precision was an own goal.

“trans person's inclination is the same as a CIS person's.”

So. A trans identifying male has the same inclinations as a man.

Finally.

To be honest, I’m questioning if he even has a mind.

We will never change this persons mind- it’s not open , it lacks empathy and common sense , it lacks any method to perform rational thinking and logic

ediy to add

and demonstrates exactly why women want space without them

Its interesting how many instructions our super feminine bro includes in their posts. The amount of 'listen' and similar directives is enlightening

It doesn’t matter that he physically raped me.

It is his inclination that matters.

Fuck that.

You know what? It's none of your business. Women just want, sometimes, to be exclusively in the company of women, and exactly the same thing is true for other groupings, eg men, lesbians, co-religionists, old people, etc etc. Our law has gone to the trouble of making sure that following this universal, harmless human desire, to be with one's own kind, does not break anti-discrimination law (notably, clubs based on skin colour are not allowed). You are the one who is out of step with the rest of humanity on this, so you need to bring the justification.

Hmm.

Just quoting this because made me so angry.

This post is rape apology in action. Out. Proud. And standing.

It’s not the act but the inclination that matters.

So it doesn’t matter that I told him no. That I screamed. That I fought him so hard I’ve scars on my fingers and his dna was under my nails.

it’s his inclination that matters.

That’s another feature of the kind of discussions I describe - not “hearing” the voices or ideas with which they feel unable to “win” the point, Taztoy. Men and women both, but again, anecdotally, I’ve definitely experienced it rather more with men. I think there may be research into male-female dynamics in mixed meetings supporting that perception, too. Regardless, all these behaviours, man or woman, often seem to function as a kind of self-protective wilful blindness - ego-shielding blinkers. Avoidance behaviours, maybe. Can’t see/hear = can’t (be seen to) fail.

Exactly. And that is the answer I will give to every single one of the knuckle daggers posts.

I think the misogyny that we have seen rolled out on this and other threads is actually a very demonstration as to why female people might need female single sex spaces.

But still wheedling and attempts to rationalise keep coming.

The answer is still ‘no’.

I’m waiting @Howseitgoin

Oh yes @Howseitgoin do please explain this for us all.

Taztoy I am so sorry.

Don’t forget.

Wanting separate spaces means it’s your fault when you’re violently raped, both vaginally and orally, when you’re strangled so hard you pass out and piss yourself, and when you are infected with hpv and genital herpes.

Thank you.

thank you.

Thank you.

“Please explain why women seek the company of women other than for safety? Why the desire if their discussions aren't any different from men's? Because their conversations only ever limited to their 'biological realities'?”

This is a really remarkable question when you consider it.

That female people might want to join a group that excludes men so that they can have conversations about their lives with others who are of the same sex and may have a perspective on an issue also coming from a female perspective seems to an issue to some people.

The topics might be exactly the same as discussions with male people, but often there is a perspective relating to the experience of having a female body that creates a difference. Or there may be no difference at all! The discussion is just part of the discovery process of gaining in-depth understanding about the topic.

Yet, this perspective is impenetrable to some people.

Apparently, negotiating life and societal reactions to having a female body doesn’t create enough commonality with other female person to influence discussion. And male people might have the same opinion too so why are female people excluding those male people?

Notice again the absolutism in the ‘only ever limited’ phrasing. These questions had no relevancy to the post that they had been post in reply to either. Which was :

“What psychological, behavioural & cultural commonalities do women share again?”

“And what psychological, behavioural & cultural commonalities do women have with male people with the philosophical belief that they are not the sex they materially are that women don't also have with male people?”

What is the relevance of coming back with a question about why some women want to meet up together without men ?

I think that we really are seeing the incoherency now just crumble in these arguments for why any male person should be accessing any female single sex provision.

All I see now when I see these posts, is a male person raging that female people dare to exclude him from accessing any single sex provision he has an inclination to access.

Women, how dare you exclude male people who insist they should have access to your conversations? Surely there can be no commonality based on living life as a female person to explore other female perspectives on issues!! Remember, if you don’t include those male people who want access, then they will treat you with disrespect because you didn’t spend every opportunity you had with them. It is all your fault, women!