Shon Faye - 'well, it's over' - a brief eulogy for the "trans rights" movement.

Haha, so true!

And I wouldn't mind, but if they hadn't made themselves so fricking obnoxious in the first place no-one would be turning a hair.

Their lack of prospects is fuck all to do with being trans, and everything to do with being tossers.

“ we are about to become significantly less employable as a class, especially transwomen”

Oh the irony. Welcome to the Wonderful World of Women’s Work Inequality.

At least you won’t be missing out on pension build up due to taking time out to rear children, but if you want to be a woman at work watch out for being the invisible woman in the meeting, having your previously ignored ideas re spoken by men, being the one who has to stand firm about being asked to organise the room, order the coffee, arrange for the distribution of minutes etc. And watch out for the old chestnut of unequal pay - these day disguised as poorer promotion prospects . Hang on to that male entitlement dear, you are going to need it!

I don't see why I should be the only one with this earworm

Isn't it just.

Yes, exactly. I admit I myself would not hire a transperson - or at least a transwoman (more than likely I would a trans man), as it's too great a risk that they would sue or cause so much trouble. For example, I would never allow a transwoman to use female toilets or join a female group at work, nor would I respect their mis-sexed pronouns. That would make their daily work life untenable for them. But I simply don't care, I would not cater to them. It's too risky and dangerous to hire them, and they've made it so. They've done themselves out of employment by their narcissistic, batshit demands. Any unemployment or discrimination they face they have 100% entirely brought it on themselves.

'The middle-class trans micro-economy that boomed in the 2010s: Pride month corporate sponsorship, jobs at LGBT charities, DEI talks and panels, diversity modelling and ad campaigns, progressive theatre, educational books about being trans etc, which some of us used to make a living, has gone'

That's quite an admission of a zeitgeist shift

I found it largely forgettable. He did a reasonable job of explaining how terribly terribly difficult a trans life is, what with everyone being against you, but this was overshadowed by his naive political take. The abolition of prisons is all very nice for a certain type of person well represented in student politics, but he fails to grapple with the reality of such a policy. Immature and unwilling to think through the consequences on society of his proposals.

I think he's right to be worried about this. It's about to swing way too far in the other direction. Being unemployable and actively discriminated against in society is not a good place to be.

Judging by the behaviour of so many people claiming a trans identity that we come across, they would help their employability by being less disruptive, narcissistic and demanding and start to understand that other people exist in society .

I’m sure it would do them the world of good as well.

ah yes you may be right

@GallantKumquat you post makes a lot of sense to me, especially that the whole point of advocacy is to make yourself unnecessary. Stonewall made this mistake, gay rights had been moved forward but they couldn't bring themselves to stop, they took on trans rights to try and stay relevant, now even the trans community is turning their backs on them. Good manners is knowing when to say enough and leave

Or you get involved in the hard graft side of non profits, like supporting disabled people or helping people find their feet after leaving prison. The “hearts and minds” type should have an end point when acceptance is achieved.

Setting aside that Faye's personality makes him uniquely unsympathetic, his whinging illustrates a deeper problem in advocacy generally - the purpose of most advocacy - and this is certainly the case for trans advocacy - is to make yourself redundant, i.e. to create a society that is so equitable for your cause that your services are no longer necessary. So, Faye's level of employment in trans advocacy should be of no concern because it could be correlated with an improvement or deterioration of the trans situation generally.

But this doesn't even occur to Faye. Instead advocacy is a divine right and its necessity must be accepted a priori. This amounts to moral hazard: the advocate benefits from being both ineffective and from choosing causes that really aren't problems to begin with or from exaggerating their plight. And while Faye's extreme level of narcissistic self-regard is unusual, this is a flaw in sits at the heart of the criticism of the quango state: these organizations benefit by making problems worse and thereby self-perpetuating.

This is not to say that all not-for-profits behave this way, and certainly not all people who work in the sector. But it's an obvious risk that remains unaddressed and trans advocacy in particular lays it bare. There seem to be no institutional tools to address it and no way to discuss it frankly without being accused of being on the side of defunding them and abolishing them, i.e. Reform. (adding that I'm not advocating for or against Reform, the entire political spectrum should view this as a problem, the left even more so than the right)

Yes, there is still a long way to go before the craze exhausts itself......but rolling a boulder uphill is hard work; one that that fewer and fewer will have the endurance or motivation for.

We're not a "couple of years behind" in Britain, we're years ahead and leading the way when it comes to pushing back against the trans agenda. The U.S is still shit deep in it all.

The 'segregation law' just means that he is treated the same as everybody else in, and I think 'reduced access to medical care' just means that treatment in the UK is evidence based.

How does that make him unemployable?

I think you might be confusing Shon Faye with Paris Lees.

The kitchen is a great place to be, now that we have machines to do most of the drudgery. I spend more time in there than DW as she doesn't enjoy cooking as much as I do.

you'd hope so wouldn't you but his own story (and the screen version) says otherwise
remember all the stories from the Tavistock about parents wanting to 'trans away the gay'
or Susie Green's poor son
the law is one thing but bigotry still exists

There's surely never been a time in the history of the human race (in this country at least) when a flamboyant, feminine man can express his personality so freely, marry his boyfriend and have legal protection from discrimination. Like the 80s but with modern equality law.

I actually wonder if his next move will be his 'journey to reality and acceptance' sold in memoir form with accompanying interviews, articles, appearances etc
Like a kind of peaking but with additional layers of guilt, regret, remorse. I do actually feel sorry for these people. Or rather, I feel very sorry for the boy he was.

How dare you. How dare you belittle and forget the enormous effort and emotional (and financial) expense that women in the UK have made for years now to stand up for their own rights, in the face of being cancelled, being threatened, losing their jobs - while men like Faye told us to "enjoy ur erasure" and Stonewall captured huge organisations with their fake law?

Don't even try to lump us in with what's happening in the US, or to play in to the TRAs' "they're a load of far right Christo fascists" schtick. Just fuck off with that.

As for Shon - sad times. Time to actually work for a living. But nice try at dragging all the everyday transes down with you.

As I said, he's just a bitter, two-bit bully. Enjoyed sneering at women to make up for his own inadequacies.

Too late Shon. Who would have imagined, ten years ago when lesbians and lefty women tried raising their concerns about where the dogmatic TWAW position would logically end up and you told them to enjoy their erasure, that it might all go wrong for you?

Well, we did. And we were quite willing to work with you way back then on finding compromises that would have put transactivism in a stronger and more stable position in mainstream society, but you were too busy telling us to fuck off to see it.

FAFO, indeed.

This may not be the thread, but I can't find the recent one about "what happened to the transvestites "? Has anyone watched After Life?

Me and my daughter watched the last episode of series 2 tonight, where they interview the 50 year old man who "identifies" as an 8 year old girl. Daughter is a TWAW and she was slack jawed in horror.

Penny the photographer had a soliloquy about, "They're all transgender now, what happened to the transvestites, the blokes who dressed up as birds, but didn't say they were actually women?

She didn't make any of the usual comments, I'm really hoping that she's ambling slowly up to the peak.

Im not going to show her any Sham Fake stuff yet.