Charlotte Tetley, victim of the Rochdale rape gangs has died

This is since July.

So no. It's doing the sum total of fuck all.

What gets me is we can't be the only family caught in such a doom loop. I don't live in the middle of nowhere. Its not an unusual condition particularly.

They should know who they should be referring to in the next trust as a standard thing.

Worse still the number of letters we've had through pointlessly telling us this staggers me. Just pick up the fucking phone, sort it and then tell us. We are now up to three posted letters saying no.

If we get referred back to the original place, we will go beyond complaints and go to the MP.

This must be affecting so many people.

FGS I thought moving back to a.more centralised funding model was supposed to be fixing those issues.

Sorry to hear about your DS, Red. We have had something in a similar vein, though less acute, with DD who got an appointment to see paeds after 18 months, only to be told she is now too old & needs to start again at the back of the queue in adult services. Pre-Lansley, this would have happened automatically.

But it’s not just the NHS. The underfunding of all public services has destroyed the connections between those services and they weren’t great to begin with.

MH services were cut, so a lot landed on the Police who had also had their resources cut and eventually introduced right care, right person, meaning they often don’t attend either. Too many people get pushed from service to service without getting the interventions they need.

As much as a reform government terrifies me, there is no party right now that I have any confidence in.

It's not about staff. It's about the system.

My son COULD have been treated in one hospital - as the doctor had wanted - it was the administrative side that said no because we are not living in that area and I assume it affects budget.

The budget issues should not be the patient's problem. It should be a seamless service and it should be the administrators that work that out between them instead of patients being caught up in what essential are turf wars.

I am fully expecting this to end up going full circle and my local NHS trust ultimately referring us back to the children hospital because our authority doesn't have the service availability and we get choices about where we can be seen - which includes the childrens hospital we were initially rejected from. (He's previously been referred there for something else).

Ironically it often takes less time for us to travel to the childrens rather than our local authority hospital anyway too.

It's not a clinical staff issue. It's very much a Kafkaesque jobsworth one about box ticking and budgets not dealing with humans. It's this concept of 'common sense'.

And I think we will see a lot more of this over the coming 3 or 4 years.

Some staff are undoubtedly lazy/uncaring as well I am sure. Sorry, I re-read @RedToothBrush and it might have looked like I was talking over your experiences.

for your son @RedToothBrush . I hope he manages to get the care he needs but it shouldn't be such a struggle

I am so depressed about the NHS. My relatives working in the NHS were absolutely in despair at Langley's health reforms believing it was going to damage the NHS irrevocably. The problem is, it sounds like doom mongering "the Tories are destroying the NHS" and it takes a while for impacts to start to filter through so people can feel them. Plus actually a lot of NHS staff were holding the system together by putting well above the normal effort levels. It wasn't sustainable though and the whole system fell apart completely with COVID. There just wasn't any capacity left in the system to absorb it. And then after that you had a staff who were totally exhausted and systems that just didnt work (and huge levels of waste). So then, a good while after the dire predictions, you started to see people just not able to access the health care they needed in large numbers. It feels like it all collapsed very quickly after a protracted period of things steadily worsening
And Mental health was always the least considered part of the NHS even at the best of times. It's is sort of out of sight out of mind as it's not something people really give much thought to (Unlike A and E waiting times) unless they need it. So they just became completely overwhelmed by the large increase in people needing care (and difficulties in discharging patients because there was nowhere for them to go due to other cuts.) Making the shortage even worse.

So Labour really need to be urgently fixing a system that is on its knees. But even if they were good at that, it would take a while to actually make a real difference (they seem to be concentrating on lowering waiting times which is important but doesn't really impact people like your son's experience). Real improvement needs much more than superficial measures. And I don't even know if Wes Streeting's focus on "AI" is the right strategy. But then you also have Reform who can capitalise on people's dissatisfaction but if they do get in we will likely lose the NHS as a free at point if service health service altogether. At least in the form its in now.

None of which helps Charlotte at all. But if anyone knows of ways to pressure the government to put more focus on adequate mental healthcare please share. It has less political heft than cancer, And E etc so.easier to fall by the way side. But then people die needlessly.

The Reform narrative is basically about the failure of services across the board and how ordinary people can't access vital services.

You don't even have to add the racial element for this to be an issue. The disaffection is the lack of access to services and making people jump through impossible hoops to get those services.

Reform have then blamed it on immigration as their proposed solution - it's not the solution but they have acknowledged the problem - which is more than every other party is doing.

It's not just mental health either.

My son is currently stuck in an NHS Doom Loop of people going 'not my problem' which no one wants to help with.

He had a medical emergency, and because of the nature of the emergency we went to the nearest hospital. This wasn't in our local area because we were out at the time.

He was then referred to the local childrens hospital in the same out of area because they don't have a paediatric service for this in my local area. This is standard for where I live - we've come across it previously and we get offered the choice of where to go.

They have treated him, but he needs to be referred to another department as part of it. The doctor wanted him seen at the children's hospital because he could work with the team. He said we should have already been referred and he was surprised this hadn't happened when the initial medical emergency happened. He said delays to this could have a significant permanent effect. The referral was refused and we got a letter saying 'nope not our problem out of area' you will be referred here.

We still hadn't heard a peep by the next appointment at the children's so we've chased it up with pals. Turns out the passed on referral has gone to the wrong place and they don't offer that service at that place so it's now been passed onto a third place. PALS were useless when they called back saying 'oh well it's been referred here's - yes, only because Pals had got involved in the first fucking place and we STILL haven't had the urgent referral we should have had in early July because they can't find the right department in the right area.

It's all 'oh not my department, not my problem' attitude where it's impossible.

I have other examples too.

You have to be 'the perfect patient' to get the support you need. Otherwise you are liable to end up with no service, or worse in the case of mental health services - arrested by the police and criminalised because the police have zero fucking clue and don't have adequate training for mental health. Never mind the lack of 24/7 access to mental health services which should be the case for the police.

It's a farce which the public recognise and have lived experience of.

This is where scolding about tone / attitude etc etc by political parties falls into a pit of shit because it sounds just like the fobing off that's the issue. It's why we have this concept of the lanyard class in the first place.

Until you start seeing proper engagement on this as an issue, then Reform will continue to blame immigration because they can.

The creep of this bullshit and terrible attitudes to the public only seems to be getting worse and affecting more and more things.

The abject frustration it causes creates anger and it's manifesting in various ways.

What's more surprising is it's a surprise to anyone.

That just gives rise to the idea of two tier services....

Charlotte was failed again and again. By society and by statutory organisations who should have protected her and looked after her. She wasn’t given an impatient mental health bed, despite her desperate need.

By chance, I was reviewing prevention of future deaths reports today at work, and came across the Coroner’s Matters of concern for Charlotte case, which were published a few days ago and which form the basis for the DM story.

I won’t post the details, which are devastating, but the report is publicly available via the prevention of future deaths website if anyone is interested in reading it. Please do be aware though that the information may be distressing.

People like Charlotte deserve to be valued & respected. I hope she rests in peace.

Poor Charlotte 😓 rest in peace, you were failed by so many.

Yes. The victims are often “slags” to the police, until someone higher up the tree forces them to investigate. There is story after story after story of sexually abused and violently controlled women being ignored while their abusers have got away unscathed. When the women go to the courts, their characters are assassinated and they are accused of again being slags. The process is hell.

It is disgusting that the welfare of the women always comes somewhere behind how useful or not they are to politics.

Poor girl. What an awful story of so much avoidable harm caused to her. She should have been protected and cared for.

Oh I see. You are ironically using the awful political conflation of the word "exploitation" to refer to both continued sexual abuse and the turning of a blind eye by authorities to avoid ethnic tensions...

...to some right wing journalists like the Daily Mail, GB news, Elon Musk allegedly posting these cases and failings as "exploitation" as apparently they are just racist bigots.

A politician covering up sexual abuse for political gain is in no way comparable to one reporting it for the same.

Personally I'm on the left, an ethnic minority and have been following these issues for 20 years. It was despicable that prior to Elon Musk tweeting about it only GB news was reporting on it.

I'm glad he brought it to public attention.

The girls and women exploited by pimps, of whatever race, have always then been exploited by the chattering classes of the day. The girls from the northern towns were exploited by the men of south Asian origin, the group before them were exploited by the afro Caribbean men and alongside it all, they were also exploited by white men, some of whom were police officers.

I don't even understand what point you are making. Are you complaining that the Daily Mail is reporting on Charlotte's inquest because you consider that "exploiting" her death?

You’ve been running around scolding and tone policing quite a bit today. Why don’t you take the time to set out your position in a calm and reasonable way instead of loudly declaring women here beyond the pale and flouncing off?

We’re pretty used to those tactics here. They don’t impress us.

I beg to differ - there very much are people ‘exploiting’ these girls. And it was ever thus.

Nobody is ‘exploiting’ these girls.

Just because you may have some personal vendetta against various figures who have brought this issue to the public domain, does not mean they are not right to do so.

Posts such as yours are why we are in this mess.

10 years ago people posted about the Rape Gangs and were accused of racism.
Those who sacrificed thousands of girls on the altar of ‘diversity’ have blood on their hands.

I don't know how many times the state let her down. So many times.

It's worth me explaining that EUPD is a controversial diagnosis from a feminist perspective. It's often given to women with a history of complex childhood trauma - their difficulties being explained by this better.

It's treatable but she was turned down for in patient care which she obviously needed. And was aware she was losing control of suicidality and trying to get help.

Some excellent analysis on this thread, thanks all.

I am furious at the way the grooming gangs’ victims are being exploited AGAIN for political expediency. Seeing the kind of people who you know would also have written them off for being “slags” suddenly finding an interest in VAWG and sexual exploitation purely because they are enjoying airing their racism has been infuriating.

Anyone who follows VAWG is aware that women struggle to be believed even when they are “perfect” victims, let alone when they’re underage girls in care seen to be running away to drink, smoke, and be with “boyfriends.” The race of the perps was the sixth best reason not to do anything, to borrow a phrase from the Sandie Peggie tribunal.

Bumping this up as another article today. Charlotte was found by the British transport police on tracks, taken to A&E, but left before she was assessed. The police refused to search for her. I don't know what to say.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15123097/Rochdale-grooming-gang-victim-suffered-significant-sexual-abuse-took-life-removed-hospital-coroner-rules.html