Men in women’s groups.

So it's all about the man's 'feels'. HIS 'feelings'.

Right?

Because I would find it strange that a 'normal' man would want to join a female only group and therefore be saying 'yes I am female' when he isnt trans. He can set up his only group or join a male or mixed sex group. And before anyone says anything yes I am aware a trans woman is not a biological woman! But I personally wouldnt have a problem with them joining the woman's group.

But they are not women, they are men. Male. It's a female only group.

But why are you not equally happy to accept other men with genuine interest in the subject matter of the group?

I'm not sexist 🤣

I've no idea, you guys look way too much into things. I like what I like, dislike what I dislike, feel the way I do, I dont need to explain it in great depth. It's quite bizarre that you cant accept this.

Would you allow their god beliefs to determine how you live?

If a man says their God belief says they are allowed to join a woman only group, would that be ok by you?

If not, why is it different if it's a woman belief?

Again, it's because you are basically saying "Well I'm sexist and that's just how I feel and I'm really surprised so many people care about it"

Your still putting words in my mouth. That has never been said by me. I said I can understand if he wishes to be a woman or feels like he was born in the wrong body. I didnt say he feels like what he thinks a woman should feel like. He knows how he feels and he feels he should have been female.

If I felt I was supposed to be born a man and decided to go down the route of changing my appearance or having surgery or just being out as trans, I would like to think I could join a men's club. So therefore I can see it from a trans person's perspective. But at the same time I'm a realist so I can also accept that some men wouldnt want that in their club.

Yes I would object to that.

Well that's up to the group in question. I'm saying I would have no issue with a trans woman joining a women's group that I was a member of.

No it's out of understanding.

Yes biologically they are both men. But I can see a difference between a man who wishes to stay as a man (which of course is the majority of men) and men who feel they are female.

I guess I can understand how they would feel if they wished to 'change sex' or felt they were born into the wrong body. I can accept that and I can understand that. Agreed it doesnt change the biology but that personally doesnt bother me.

Well again personally speaking I wouldnt understand why a man would want to join a woman's group. But like I just said I can understand why a trans woman would. I can see the difference.

All I said was that it wouldnt bother me. Making friends as adults can be hard and I can imagine making friends when you are trans would be 100x more difficult as you will always come across people who wouldn't accept you simply based on that, no matter how funny or nice or friendly you were. So the way I look at life is I would accept them into the group as I'd understand they were trying to make female friends and wishing to hang out in that environment and only judge them on how they behave. If they were an arsehole I'd wish they had never joined, but that would be the same if they were biologically female.

I wonder what they'd do if a trans man asked to join 🤔

If they joined because they see themselves as a woman and wish to have more female friends then it wouldnt bother me.

As someone who rejects anything women only (or men only) I would have no issue with it

Really unsure if I’m being unreasonable, but what do others think?

I belong to a FB group for women over 65 in my town. They have lots of get togethers, at least a couple a week. A few months ago there was a vote after a man requested to join. The overwhelming majority said no. If they want a similar group, start their own. Fair enough.

However there is a trans woman that has been welcomed with open arms. He would NOT pass as a woman, not quite a bloke in a wig but certainly you would know he was trans.

What do people think about this? Acceptable or not? I’m am totally the ‘live and let live’ but seems a bit disingenuous to ban men but not trans women?

If you look back over my posts I have explained that. I dont believe they become women either. But I'm happy to accept them into a woman's group. That's just my opinion. You are allowed not to agree with it and I am allowed to be ok with it.

I have explained it. Your mind isnt open to the subject, its closed off, so you wouldnt get it. Its like- I dont believe in god, and someone speaking to me about their belief in god, I'm never going to get it am I. I'm not going to understand their way of looking at that subject.