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Rising Christian nationalism: a threat to us all

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IwantToRetire · 18/09/2025 18:41

Article by Humanist UK, so doesn't really reflect on the impact on women although does mention abortion rights.

But I do think that our politics are far more influenced by the US, not for any deep reasons, but so much of our TV is now americanised.

And some of the fundamentalist UD christian groups have very regressive attitude towards women.

https://humanists.uk/2025/09/17/rising-christian-nationalism-a-threat-to-us-all/

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deadpan · 18/09/2025 20:16

Imnobody4 · 18/09/2025 19:52

I don't see this as cause for alarm. Humanists UK are full on TWAW. It's another organisation I can't take seriously. Their coverage of the march is hysterical. A resurgent Christianity is the least of our worries.

The most prominent one being Prof Alice Roberts. You'd think someone qualified in biological and environmental anthropology would know that humans can't change sex. Which just goes to show that it's all about opinion, and not fact.

Imnobody4 · 18/09/2025 20:08

I can't see it.
Here and now we have dark forces of the left pushing laws against trans conversion therapy. Liberalising surragacy and prostitution [sex work is real work.]
Women will have to unite and fight our corner whoever gains power.

Echobelly · 18/09/2025 19:56

Christian Nationalism is an indirect threat here - they don't have the cultural clout that they do in America because there just isn't that fervent Christian population base, but there's plenty of evidence they are funding groups that are pushing back against women's rights. Particularly on the bodily autonomy front - if Reform were to get in at the next election (and I honestly don't know how likely that is), you can bet such groups will be trying to curry favour with them to push their agenda here.

I don't see Reform leading with an 'Abortion makes Jesus sad' line, but I can certainly see them taking money from these people and using a 'Selfish career women aren't having enough babies' angle to try to justify curtailing bodily autonomy to at least some degree.

LidlAmaretto · 18/09/2025 19:54

IwantToRetire · 18/09/2025 18:45

I think it caught my attention because I saw on the news a clip of one of the speaker at the tommy robinson rally, as was taken aback to some some christian preacher, shouting about making England christian again.

So I know we have the Church represented in the House of Lords, but find this sort of fundamentalist approach to religion in politics more than a bit jarring.

Lol I doubt most of the people on that March have seen the inside of a church since they were babies. If they did they would see that it's Black Christians and a smattering of pensioners keeping the places going.

Imnobody4 · 18/09/2025 19:52

I don't see this as cause for alarm. Humanists UK are full on TWAW. It's another organisation I can't take seriously. Their coverage of the march is hysterical. A resurgent Christianity is the least of our worries.

ArabellaSaurus · 18/09/2025 19:49

Merrymouse · 18/09/2025 19:05

Yes Humanist UK it is a bit of a worry that dualist beliefs that have no basis in science have increasingly dictated policy in government and institutions...

Humanists have destroyed any credibility I may have previously afforded them.

NumberTheory · 18/09/2025 19:45

senua · 18/09/2025 18:56

[Christian Nationalism] advocates very conservative Christian social policies, such as rolling back the human rights of LGBT+ people
What human rights of the alphabet people are being threatened?
Stopped reading after that. ...

In terms of rights:

On the LGB side - There has been some rhetoric about people being allowed to refuse service to LGB people and to discriminate in employment against LGB people on the basis of the service provider’s or employer’s religious belief, to bar LGB people from adopting. Also, effectively, bringing back clause 28.

On the women’s rights side - abortion is the big one, but also some rhetoric about husband’s having a right to medical information about a wife’s pregnancy and medical treatment while pregnant, it being criminal not to follow lifestyle rules (not smoking, drinking, etc) while pregnant, rhetoric against state financial support for one parent families, rhetoric about making divorce harder, rhetoric against rape in marriage being criminal, rhetoric against the current criminal law on domestic abuse - in particular some aspects of coercion and financial abuse.

A lot, but not all, of this is pretty fringe at the moment. But if some comes in, the rest gains more of a foothold.

I think the bigger threat to women, initially, if religious nationalism gains power, is the change to discourse and social norms. That would make it harder for women to live in a way that wasn’t in keeping with social expectations, even if they legally had the rights to do so.

senua · 18/09/2025 19:23

TheCatsTongue · 18/09/2025 19:09

There's nothing to worry about in the UK when you have the useless Church of England in control!

Quite. I get fed up with people looking at America and transposing their politics on to us. We are not America.

TheCatsTongue · 18/09/2025 19:09

There's nothing to worry about in the UK when you have the useless Church of England in control!

IwantToRetire · 18/09/2025 19:05

senua · 18/09/2025 18:56

[Christian Nationalism] advocates very conservative Christian social policies, such as rolling back the human rights of LGBT+ people
What human rights of the alphabet people are being threatened?
Stopped reading after that. ...

I think it doesn't take much to consider what it means for women.

As i said in the OP there wasn't much about women, but if they are right that Christian Nationalism is on the rise, then it means as women we cant just disengage.

It will be more than abortion rights that they will want to take away from women.

That's one of the points of posting on FWR is hear from women their different ideas and experiences.

Not whether an article says exactly what you think.

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Merrymouse · 18/09/2025 19:05

Yes Humanist UK it is a bit of a worry that dualist beliefs that have no basis in science have increasingly dictated policy in government and institutions...

Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks · 18/09/2025 19:01

senua · 18/09/2025 18:56

[Christian Nationalism] advocates very conservative Christian social policies, such as rolling back the human rights of LGBT+ people
What human rights of the alphabet people are being threatened?
Stopped reading after that. ...

I wouldn’t be surprised if same sex marriage was one

senua · 18/09/2025 18:56

[Christian Nationalism] advocates very conservative Christian social policies, such as rolling back the human rights of LGBT+ people
What human rights of the alphabet people are being threatened?
Stopped reading after that. ...

IwantToRetire · 18/09/2025 18:45

I think it caught my attention because I saw on the news a clip of one of the speaker at the tommy robinson rally, as was taken aback to some some christian preacher, shouting about making England christian again.

So I know we have the Church represented in the House of Lords, but find this sort of fundamentalist approach to religion in politics more than a bit jarring.

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