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DustyWindowsills · 19/09/2025 11:39

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:31

These podcasts and you tube formats are easily absorbed .It is far easier to listen to somone else's take on things rather than reading widely and researching issues for yourself. The problem is these podcasters make their living from presenting listeners with a ready made world view, inscribed with their own unique and individual take on matters.....complete with 'evidence' to support it.....and once you subscribe you are chanelled towards other very similar content.

I've witnessed this with two very close friends....they've both gone down very similar rabbit holes complete with all the same theories and talking points...and at times I have to step back and just let them speak......without response from me......I simply don't know what to say to them. I don't want to say " Don't be daft" because they really seem to believe in this stuff, and i don't want to destroy friendships which I've had with them for over 35 years on account if it.

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My brother is like this. I've learned to filter out statements like "We all know the government is controlling the weather," so I can pay more attention to dangerous fuckwittery such as "Mum doesn't really have diabetes."

eatfigs · 19/09/2025 11:38

Howseitgoin · 19/09/2025 11:34

"Etymology
The term cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. This usage can be seen in the cis–trans distinction in chemistry, the cis and trans sides of the Golgi apparatus in cellular biology, the ancient Roman term Cisalpine Gaul (i.e. 'Gaul on this side of the Alps'), and Cisjordan (as distinguished from Transjordan). In cisgender, cis- describes the alignment of gender identity with assigned sex.[6][7]"

😂

The dictionary is describing how some people use this term. Nothing more, nothing less.

Doesn't mean it isn't based on sexist ideas that we are free to reject.

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:34

CO will never accept any evidence. And why should BM have to provide it?
What has it got to do with CO, anyway...what is the relevence of it?

CO will never accept any evidence. And why should BM have to provide it?

Because she’s suing for libel.

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:38

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Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:34

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:32

It sucks when people tell lies about you. Most of us just have to suck it up. The Macrons are privileged enough to have the money and resources to initiate court action. This is a choice but obviously to win they will need to provide evidence to show that CO is wrong. Personally I think they are making things much worse for themselves.

CO will never accept any evidence. And why should BM have to provide it?
What has it got to do with CO, anyway...what is the relevence of it?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:34

Yep, the most puzzling aspect of this is why the heck the Macrons are giving it a second of airtime

I’m not convinced they’ve been well advised

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:34

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:22

Very obviously see? The fact someone wears a dress doesn't mean....

Oh it's no sense explaining logic to those that lack common sense and you haven't bothered to look at what anyone's on about so discussing any points would be a painfully futile act. Wait and see, the truth shall set thee free...

The sex perception (which most humans learn as babies) and ability to distinguish between the sexes is LITERALLY nothing to do with who wears the dresses, who has long hair etc. It has been replicated over and over that humans can tell which sex other humans are at a glance at a high rate of accuracy (without hairstyles or clothes being part of it). Facial perception, gait... it's cognitive. Hard-wired. From childhood. Babies can do it. Animals can do it. This isn't difficult. How can you not be aware of this?

Seems you've really not done your research here. Ignorant as well as insane.

Howseitgoin · 19/09/2025 11:34

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:27

Oh dear, you ARE new here, aren't you?

😂

"Cis" is literally not a real thing. It's a nonsensical and loaded term used by genderists in THEIR belief framework. (Similarly to, say, calling non-believers in religions "sinners" or "infidels" ) Which, if you knew anything about us here, you'd know we don't believe or use. It's from your belief framework, not ours. It's non factual. It seems like a lot of the newly emerged nutters on here you have great difficulty distinguishing between "fact" and "belief".

You're welcome.

"Etymology
The term cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. This usage can be seen in the cis–trans distinction in chemistry, the cis and trans sides of the Golgi apparatus in cellular biology, the ancient Roman term Cisalpine Gaul (i.e. 'Gaul on this side of the Alps'), and Cisjordan (as distinguished from Transjordan). In cisgender, cis- describes the alignment of gender identity with assigned sex.[6][7]"

😂

Latin - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:32

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:18

The obvious difference being that Imane khelif has been competing in a highly dangerous contact sport against female opponents, whereas Brigiite Macron's sex has got nothing to do with anyone else, nor does it have any negative impact upon them.

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It sucks when people tell lies about you. Most of us just have to suck it up. The Macrons are privileged enough to have the money and resources to initiate court action. This is a choice but obviously to win they will need to provide evidence to show that CO is wrong. Personally I think they are making things much worse for themselves.

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:31

These podcasts and you tube formats are easily absorbed .It is far easier to listen to somone else's take on things rather than reading widely and researching issues for yourself. The problem is these podcasters make their living from presenting listeners with a ready made world view, inscribed with their own unique and individual take on matters.....complete with 'evidence' to support it.....and once you subscribe you are chanelled towards other very similar content.

I've witnessed this with two very close friends....they've both gone down very similar rabbit holes complete with all the same theories and talking points...and at times I have to step back and just let them speak......without response from me......I simply don't know what to say to them. I don't want to say " Don't be daft" because they really seem to believe in this stuff, and i don't want to destroy friendships which I've had with them for over 35 years on account if it.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:27

Howseitgoin · 19/09/2025 11:21

Oh dear, you ARE new here, aren't you?

😂

"Cis" is literally not a real thing. It's a nonsensical and loaded term used by genderists in THEIR belief framework. (Similarly to, say, calling non-believers in religions "sinners" or "infidels" ) Which, if you knew anything about us here, you'd know we don't believe or use. It's from your belief framework, not ours. It's non factual. It seems like a lot of the newly emerged nutters on here you have great difficulty distinguishing between "fact" and "belief".

You're welcome.

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/09/2025 11:25

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:01

And even if BM is a man (she isn’t), so what?

Well, quite. No one else’s business.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:25

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:22

Very obviously see? The fact someone wears a dress doesn't mean....

Oh it's no sense explaining logic to those that lack common sense and you haven't bothered to look at what anyone's on about so discussing any points would be a painfully futile act. Wait and see, the truth shall set thee free...

In what respect would people coming to generally believe that BM is a man set anyone free?

dear god, why am I engaging with this??

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:23

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:20

Who is ‘they’ in this scenario?

This really is the poitics of the hopelessly confused....of people who grasp onto media content and then do weird things with it because they've not really learned to think critically about any of it.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:23

happydappy2 · 19/09/2025 11:22

BM themselves, obviously

Not particularly obviously

is there something in the water today?

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:22

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:12

"I'm not one for conspiracy theories".

😂

Course not. Yes, the facts will speak for themselves when what we all know and can very obviously see because we're not cognitively impaired still turns out to be the case.

Very obviously see? The fact someone wears a dress doesn't mean....

Oh it's no sense explaining logic to those that lack common sense and you haven't bothered to look at what anyone's on about so discussing any points would be a painfully futile act. Wait and see, the truth shall set thee free...

happydappy2 · 19/09/2025 11:22

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:20

Who is ‘they’ in this scenario?

BM themselves, obviously

Howseitgoin · 19/09/2025 11:21

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:17

What on earth does this sentence mean?

There's no such thing as "cis" for a start. We don't follow that particular religion here on FWS. Other than that, your sentence makes zero sense, sorry. What are you attempting to say exactly?

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/cis

You’re welcome.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:21

happydappy2 · 19/09/2025 11:17

If BM is in fact male-they need to answer why woman face is acceptable when black face isn't.

BM literally is female though. She isn't wearing 'womanface'. She's a woman.

This isn't difficult.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:20

happydappy2 · 19/09/2025 11:17

If BM is in fact male-they need to answer why woman face is acceptable when black face isn't.

Who is ‘they’ in this scenario?

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:19

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:16

And that is exactly what they would be saying now about Khelif & co if their medical information hadn’t been leaked by the IBA. We would now be in this exact situation where accusations of conspiracy theories and judging women on their looks and behaviour would be being made.

Funnily enough the Khelif did threaten to sue JKR and then didn’t presumably because he knows full well that he’s a man.

Brigitte finds herself in the same situation as Khelif. If she wants to prove that she is female there is a very simple way for her to do this IF she actually is female.

Except Khelif is obviously male and BM is obviously female. It's not to do with stereotypes of "femininity". You seem very confused.

Do you really not understand human perception and how sex perception is one of the first things we learn? It's quite outside of hairstyles and clothes too (as the many replicated pieces of research would tell you).

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:19

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:14

Including rare photo evidence although this is not by far the most compelling of all the evidence uncovered

‘Rare photo evidence’

🤣🤣🤣

right you are

god i hope you’re having a laugh with this or you’re a Russian employee intent on destabilising the west. I actually feel that would be preferable to you genuinely thinking that is ‘evidence’

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/09/2025 11:18

Bideo · 18/09/2025 14:45

Whats the alternative if you don't want men in women's spaces?

All the women at the current Athletics championships have had to prove their sex. And that's good.

Is Madame Macron competing in athletics championships these days?

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:18

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:16

And that is exactly what they would be saying now about Khelif & co if their medical information hadn’t been leaked by the IBA. We would now be in this exact situation where accusations of conspiracy theories and judging women on their looks and behaviour would be being made.

Funnily enough the Khelif did threaten to sue JKR and then didn’t presumably because he knows full well that he’s a man.

Brigitte finds herself in the same situation as Khelif. If she wants to prove that she is female there is a very simple way for her to do this IF she actually is female.

The obvious difference being that Imane khelif has been competing in a highly dangerous contact sport against female opponents, whereas Brigiite Macron's sex has got nothing to do with anyone else, nor does it have any negative impact upon them.

YourLemonTiger · 19/09/2025 11:18

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 09:40

Personally I think the accusations of high profile women being men are linked to the breakdown of trust in societies that allow men to pretend to be women, allow them to keep that fact a secret and harshly sanction those who object.

As I already posted up thread we have just experienced 2 men competing in the female boxing competition at the Olympics with numerous officials lying through their teeth that they are female. The ONLY reason we knew about this is because of testing information released by the Russian boxing organisation IBA. If the IBA hadn’t provided that information we would have had to rely on appearance which would have lead to accusations of judging women on “Western beauty standards” or their level of femininity.

We are being lied to by governments, and all of our institutions. The police are recording rapists as women and the press are reporting this without question. When the media reports a murder by a woman now I am always suspicious that they are being truthful.

we ALL know this is happening. So it shouldn’t come as too much of a surprise when people start pointing the finger at famous or high profile women and claim that they are men. This breakdown of trust is what happens when those who govern us lie. The Macrons and the Obamas are complicit in allowing this state of affairs to continue and I can’t bring myself to have very much sympathy tbh.

Those are all very good points