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hihelenhi · 18/09/2025 19:52

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 18:17

That’s what’s being argued when these accusations are made based on how women look.

I don't think the person arguing it is a 'terf'. Or if they are, they certainly don't take the "rf" position which is common to most of the UK "terves" here (I suspect from the spelling, that poster is not from the UK either), who have been fighting regressively conservative stereotypes like ideas of "femininity" for fucking decades. Given that's one of the central tenets of feminism, especially radical feminism.

Do you understand what "terfs' actually believe? Because the above argument sounds like you don't have a clue, frankly.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/09/2025 19:52

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 19:45

A pedophile with a dubious past is running France. That’s a fact. The rest may or may not be a conspiracy but it’s fine to look away if you are happy for pedophiles to be in positions of power (and pushing agendas)

Huh? Brigitte Macron is running France is she? 🤔 I could have sworn it was Emmanuel Macron.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2025 19:52

YourLemonTiger · 18/09/2025 17:53

They might well be hiding something, but that something bring brigitte is a gay man masquerading as a woman and no one has noticed until recently is so ridiculous it barely needs disputing.

Brigitte worked as a teacher for decades. I'm sure at least one of her colleagues would have noticed if she was a man in drag.

I agree, and I've been wondering where the 'doesn't look feminine enough so must be a man' idea came from - in her childhood photos she doesn't look like like a boy, and as an adult she doesn't look like a man, so the suggestion BM is a man doesn't come from her appearance.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/09/2025 19:50

You’d think that women who are not feminine would be the most keen to have a card to prove their biological sex to anyone challenging them in female spaces. 🤔 Those that wish to conceal their biological sex are the ones complaining most about sex testing in sports etc.

ThatBlackCat · 18/09/2025 19:49

Bideo · 18/09/2025 16:46

A relationship with his teacher, from when he was 14 isn't bizarre?

Never heard of Mary Kay Letourneau? I think the boy was only 12. 11 or 12.

ETA: I do believe Brigitte is a woman. Just commenting on the idea that relationships don't start that young. It's still wrong, of course.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 19:45

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:06

Do you have nothing of interest in your actual life? This is just a stupid internet conspiracy for those who have no critical thinking skills.

A pedophile with a dubious past is running France. That’s a fact. The rest may or may not be a conspiracy but it’s fine to look away if you are happy for pedophiles to be in positions of power (and pushing agendas)

hihelenhi · 18/09/2025 19:44

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 17:07

In your opinion. Others believe there is lots of evidence. At the very least he/she is a pedophile. There will be some people desperate to ensure we all firmly believe Brigitte is a biological woman, a female pedophile.

JFC. You do understand that:

a) The dubious grooming start of their relationship

and

b) the batshit, misogynist conspiracy that BM is a man (in the same vein as the conspiracy that Michelle Obama is a man)

are two wholly unrelated things, don't you? Don't you? As you appear to be conflating them in really insane ways.

Muffinmam · 18/09/2025 19:33

Candace Owens has posted hours and hours of her investigation on this.

It’s compelling. So either Candace is lying or Brigitte is a man.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 19:29

JustineRobots · 18/09/2025 19:03

It also means 15 year old macron was groomed by a male teacher in his 40s if true.

Is that worse than being groomed by a female teacher in her 40s?

No, you’ve misunderstood. Brigitte was in her 30s at the time but if it is her older brother then the pedophile was in his 40s ie an even bigger age gap. Either way they are a pedophile and not worth defending. And they even changed that story numerous times.

All this talk about looking ‘feminine’ or not is a distraction. When Brigitte became famous for being the presidents wife, journalists naturally wanted to start writing her bio. They struggled to gather any information, came up against brick walls and were warned off from looking further. That is what it is claimed started the investigation by Poussard.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/09/2025 19:28

Oh my.🤯

imon · 18/09/2025 19:27

I watched the Candace stuff and thought her ‘evidence’ was pretty flimsy. But she says she’ll stake her whole professional career on it being true.

She’s also just shared a video claiming Charlie Kirk’s murder was linked to Israel. I think she’s gone so far down a conspiracy rabbit hole, she can’t find her way out. 🤷🏼‍♀️

aintgonnarain · 18/09/2025 19:24

Noseyneeps · 18/09/2025 19:12

This is a complete joke. She is a woman with grown up children. This shit is beneath her dignity

I think it's good she's standing up proudly to take the test and it's a great example for other women not to be embarrassed to do so in the UK so they can enter women's safe spaces.

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:23

Muffinmam · 18/09/2025 19:05

Have you seen the photos? They are compelling.

It’s strange he’s jumped to DNA evidence and hasn’t just released photos. Perhaps because no photos exist….

Because DNA is a quick easy way to check someone’s sex.

And passing around photos that you have no idea where they came from, or how they could have been doctored, but saying they are “compelling” just marks you as a sad gullible conspiracist.

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:20

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 18:17

That’s what’s being argued when these accusations are made based on how women look.

It’s not GC women making accusations at other women, and the Macron thing is just a stupid American conspiracy theory which just tells you about the ability of some people to think critically at all. Unfortunately, some stupid people will believe any old shit without engaging their brains for 5 mins.

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:16

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 18:11

Also TERFs: this woman must be trans because she doesn’t look feminine enough!

Don’t talk bollocks. That really is not what GC women say.

Can’t you tell male from female people even if the man has long hair and is wearing heels and make up?? I’m astonished if you can’t. Humans are really very good at accurately sexing other humans.

Most trans women present in stereotypically female clothing etc because it’s the only thing they have to signal they think they are female.

Gender non-conforming women look nothing like trans women. They don’t look male either.

Noseyneeps · 18/09/2025 19:12

SerendipityJane · 18/09/2025 14:17

Quite unsettling it has to go this far.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3llj5nxdo

This is a complete joke. She is a woman with grown up children. This shit is beneath her dignity

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:10

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 18:06

I never said that - per my previous posts I’m not a TRA, I just hate that we are now judging women based on a very outdated view of what’s feminine and what isn’t

You might be, I’m not.

Don’t know who this “we”
refers to. I don’t know anyone who can’t tell male from female in 99% of cases, and it has nothing to do with superficial presentation eg long hair makeup and heels etc.

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:06

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 17:07

In your opinion. Others believe there is lots of evidence. At the very least he/she is a pedophile. There will be some people desperate to ensure we all firmly believe Brigitte is a biological woman, a female pedophile.

Do you have nothing of interest in your actual life? This is just a stupid internet conspiracy for those who have no critical thinking skills.

Muffinmam · 18/09/2025 19:05

Have you seen the photos? They are compelling.

It’s strange he’s jumped to DNA evidence and hasn’t just released photos. Perhaps because no photos exist….

JustineRobots · 18/09/2025 19:03

It also means 15 year old macron was groomed by a male teacher in his 40s if true.

Is that worse than being groomed by a female teacher in her 40s?

nutmeg7 · 18/09/2025 19:01

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:57

For now.

This type of demand is becoming increasingly common. It’s very worrying.

Don’t be silly.

SpottyAardvark · 18/09/2025 18:56

I can’t believe the actual Président de la République is lowering himself by pandering to this pathetic nonsense. What are his advisors thinking? Macron should stay way, way above it and ignore it.

Merrymouse · 18/09/2025 18:48

tartyflette · 18/09/2025 18:44

Brigitte Macron had three children with her first husband.
So are we asked to believe a massive cover up took place years ago over the circumstances of these births, when she was still a private citizen? Were the children taken from another Frenchwoman and given to Brigitte and her then husband? For what purpose? Just in case she married Emmanuel and became the First Lady of France at some future date?
I find it hard to believe that French bureaucracy would not have public records of exactly who gave birth to them in.
I had a good look at some photos of Brigitte, she is somewhat shorter than her not-particularly-tall husband, even in stilettoes, has narrow shoulders, good legs, small feet and a petite but shapely figure. She looks unmistakably female.

Honestly, if she is capable of that level of conspiracy and planning, I'm at a loss to understand why Macron made such a mess of the elections in 2024.

Brigitte where were you???

Bideo · 18/09/2025 18:47

Signalbox · 18/09/2025 18:28

Are the accusations based on her appearance? I wouldn’t pick Brigitte out as a particularly masculine looking woman. Also Candace Owens is a Republican. I don’t know about the original accusers in France. Were they TERFs?

Neither would I. I think, if anything, she looks slightly more masculine than you expect because she's older than you expect and trying to look younger, but she looks like a heavily made up 70 (?) yo woman to me.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2025 18:45

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 18:11

Also TERFs: this woman must be trans because she doesn’t look feminine enough!

Nope. Hmm