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Trans row threatens to overshadow Lib Dem conference

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IwantToRetire · 17/09/2025 20:38

Sir Ed Davey faces activist revolt over party rules that allow biological men to take women’s posts

The current rules allow those who “self-identify as women” to stand for party posts set aside for women, which the activists say dilutes the chance that biological women can reach the top of the party.

The vote will be put before conference on Saturday, but it is understood that trans rights activists will try to get it cancelled to avoid embarrassment. This is despite a YouGov poll showing that three-quarters of Lib Dem members do not support the party’s stance on allowing gender self-ID.

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/17/trans-row-threatens-to-overshadow-lib-dem-conference/

Also at https://archive.is/hykSr

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ArabellaSaurus · 19/09/2025 08:04

fromorbit · 19/09/2025 04:50

Meanwhile Tim Farron also looks stupid in an interview. Women do exist actually.

Times Radio
https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1968582386184040541

“The party will not have a debate to allow itself to do something that’s illegal.”

timfarron says the inclusion of transgender women on Lib Dem party committees would be “compliant with the law.”

So he's an idiot.

ArabellaSaurus · 19/09/2025 08:03

fromorbit · 17/09/2025 20:52

Go Lib Voice for Women

Also covered in the Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15102917/Lib-Dems-trans-roles-reserved-women-reform-unlawful-diversity-rules.

Lib Voice for Women website also cover their motion and it includes a link to their legal advice on the Lib Dems which has implications for the Greens and other sexist parties.
https://liberalvoiceforwomen.org/blog/fair-and-lawful-quotas

As well as a stall the also have a fringe event:
https://liberalvoiceforwomen.telltix.com/events/liberalvoiceforwomen/1836661

Edited

Very good luck to them. Some fabulous women in the libdems. I'd love the party to return to sanity, and I could vote for them again.

hholiday · 19/09/2025 05:53

The only reason they say all this is that, as men, the definition of women doesn’t matter to them. They should be asked if they would have a sexual relationship with a penis woman. That’s the only consequence men like this understand.

fromorbit · 19/09/2025 04:50

Meanwhile Tim Farron also looks stupid in an interview. Women do exist actually.

Times Radio
https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1968582386184040541

“The party will not have a debate to allow itself to do something that’s illegal.”

timfarron says the inclusion of transgender women on Lib Dem party committees would be “compliant with the law.”

Times Radio (@TimesRadio) on X

“The party will not have a debate to allow itself to do something that’s illegal.” @timfarron says the inclusion of transgender women on Lib Dem party committees would be “compliant with the law.” @KateEMcCann | #TimesRadio

https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1968582386184040541

fromorbit · 19/09/2025 04:30

lcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2025 00:59

Ed Davey

Ed Davey refuses 10 times to say women cannot have penises https://share.google/JabGIuDTy4ACnBGuJ archive link

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/18/ed-davey-women-penises/

FFS!

Wow perfect example of what I was just saying. The Lib Dems are going to look increasingly absurd if they keep this up. Is Davey going to be doing this for the next years?

Look what happened to Your party. If anyone gets to say the truth the whole gender thing becomes unstable.

anyolddinosaur · 18/09/2025 12:51

Lib Dems main funding was from drug companies, last time I looked they hadnt had recent big donations. https://donation.watch/en/unitedkingdom/party/LIBDEMS/donors

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 18/09/2025 12:50

logiccalls · 18/09/2025 12:36

LibDem's main funding is apparently declared to be from the pharma company which produces 'sex-change' drugs for children.
So...whatever could explain their law-defying, membership- defying, fact- denying, Cass- Report- denying, policy?

This needs to be shouted louder.

Dragonasaurus · 18/09/2025 12:38

logiccalls · 18/09/2025 12:36

LibDem's main funding is apparently declared to be from the pharma company which produces 'sex-change' drugs for children.
So...whatever could explain their law-defying, membership- defying, fact- denying, Cass- Report- denying, policy?

This!

logiccalls · 18/09/2025 12:36

LibDem's main funding is apparently declared to be from the pharma company which produces 'sex-change' drugs for children.
So...whatever could explain their law-defying, membership- defying, fact- denying, Cass- Report- denying, policy?

Igmum · 18/09/2025 12:16

I worry that the senior LDs have spent so long parroting TA dogma that they feel they can’t back down. The press have the receipts and would crucify them (well, apart from the BBC and the Guardian). They have painted themselves into a corner. Much as I’d like to see them utterly humiliated for all they have put women through we need to start building some golden bridges so these idiots people who have seen sense can move over.

anyolddinosaur · 18/09/2025 11:48

In some constituencies it's going to be a fight between reform and the lib dems. They have a chance to become the sensible party that people can vote for. They could blow that by letting the TRAs take over.

Lottapianos · 18/09/2025 09:41

'Trans row threatens to overshadow Lib Dem conference
GOOD!'

Couldn't agree more. All political parties have had this coming for years. They just have to get their heads out of their arses and start engaging with reality, and the Supreme Court judgement should be making that EASIER for them

LizzieSiddal · 18/09/2025 09:37

This will be good to watch! I left the party because of their awful policies towards women. Plus a disturbing interaction with a member of my local party on Twitter.

They are totally captured.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2025 09:21

EmpressaurusKitty · 17/09/2025 22:20

From the article:

“Whenever this constitution provides for the election by party members to a federal committee, not less than 40 per cent… of those elected shall self-identify as men or non-binary people, and self-identify as women or non-binary people respectively.”

That doesn’t make sense. I don’t think it even makes sense if you believe in non-binary.

Of course it makes no sense. So a ‘non binary person’ can be counted towards either percentage? really? Whoever came up with this nonsense probably assumed everyone would understand it to mean ‘male nonbinary’ in the men’s 40% and ‘female nonbinary’ in the women’s 40% minimum, but they can’t say that because nonbinary people pretend to be above such categorisation.
(Do the greens still have their ‘non men /non women’ categorisation?)

fromorbit · 18/09/2025 08:47

JustSpeculation · 17/09/2025 21:03

Yes, it will embarrass them in the eyes of the country. But not at the conference, which is the only thing that counts in their eyes. Like Trump, they like to win.

If you thought that I was a cynical, disillusioned ex Lib Demmer, you'd be right.

The thing is another win at conference is another Pyrrhic victory. Because Lib Dem Voice for Women will be back next year with another vote and every year till the sexes are equal again. Every year. They are not going to stop.

Lib Dems are in a bind because they claim to respect the Supreme Court judgement while secretly hating it. The Lib Dems know legally they CANNOT win. They folded in the Natalie Bird case and allow Lib Dem Voice for Women to speak. Unlike the Greens they acknowledge reality that much. Yet TAs inside the Lib Dems want to to fight against it, while at the same time knowing they can't silence women without betraying everything they stand for. The idea of freedom of expression never meant that much to Greens or Labour. Without it what is Liberalism?

Look at what happened recently a letter trying to undermine the EHRC signed by about half the part's MPs:

Liberal Voice for Women
https://x.com/LibVoice4Women/status/1967094605909721380

This letter by LisaSmartMP LibDems Spokesperson Women & Equalities) is signed by 40 LD MPs. Letter talks about the concerns of trans ppl, trans ppl feeling anxious & excluded, how trans ppl deserve clarity, dignity & safety re EHRC guidance. Women? Not mentioned once.

This sexist letter is representative of the trap they are in. Sooner or later they will lose.

Are they really planning to go into future elections saying women don't exist? In public ? With Labour, Tories and Reform all saying they are real. They are trying to find a middle ground which can't exist if you have women and men pointing out their nonsense. It maybe the TAs will be reigned in at this conference, but if not now it will happen in 2026, 2027, or 2028.

Liberal Voice for Women (@LibVoice4Women) on X

This letter by @LisaSmartMP (@LibDems Spokesperson Women & Equalities) is signed by 40 LD MPs. Letter talks about the concerns of trans ppl, trans ppl feeling anxious & excluded, how trans ppl deserve clarity, dignity & safety re EHRC guida...

https://x.com/LibVoice4Women/status/1967094605909721380

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/09/2025 08:29

ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2025 20:55

But won’t them trying to cancel it cause even more ‘embarrassment’ in the long run?
Having a policy which isn’t in line with the equality act is a very bad look. Trying to suppress a democratic vote to restore legality wouod be outrageous.

I suspect most of the voting public have no idea just how batshit the Lib Dems are when it comes to trans ideology. Some coverage would be a good thing.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/09/2025 08:16

“We are proud to be a liberal party where our members have a range of views on all sorts of issues, but come together to discuss them in a friendly and constructive way."

How did the spokesman say that with a straight face, they barred a women (Natalie Bird) from standing for parliament because she said there were only 2 sexes, how is that friendly and constructive.

I wish the Liberal Voice for women the best of luck, it's about time the 75% of the membership who don't agree with the genderwangers actually did something to prove it.

deadpan · 18/09/2025 08:06

Most of this shit would be wiped out if they bothered to have a membership vote. Same as all the other parties.
They're so out of touch with the general population it's ridiculous. And they allow themselves to be bullied into thinking kind, caring, respectful people who err on the side of realism and biology are fascist bigots.

Merrymouse · 18/09/2025 07:14

DuesToTheDirt · 17/09/2025 21:20

Surely, with the Supreme Court ruling, the genderists don't have a leg to stand on?

Yes - I’m confused, isn’t the legislation that allows them to exclude men from these roles in the EA?

Tortelliniortortelloni · 18/09/2025 06:12

Good! I hope they actually examine the issue properly. The emails I have had back from Lib Dem politicians on this subject are just full of barely-thought out nonsense. It’s like they decided from the offset that women don’t matter and there was no need to even properly think about the issue.

RareGoalsVerge · 18/09/2025 05:45

It would be brilliant if the Liberal Demovrats could just manage to be liberal and democratic enough to allow that the 51% of thr population with female anatomy are allowed to self-organise and speak for their rights and needs without being forced to acquiesce to someone with male anatomy muscling in and demanding to speak for them, disenfranchising them on the grounds of "kindness". No problem with the party including a wide range of views but if this vote is successful on Saturday I will no lomger feel politically homeless. I might even actually join them.

hholiday · 18/09/2025 05:24

Helleofabore · 17/09/2025 21:22

I would hope whatever the outcome, the media running these stories will lift awareness. My hope is that, it will allow the voices of women to be heard without silencing. But I am not optimistic.

Exactly - I think a lot of the general public who aren’t that engaged with the Greens and the Lub Dems but occasionally give them a vote if they are annoyed with Labour or the Tories won’t realise a vote for them means a vote for all the gender klart. The more stories like this, the better - hopefully it will put pressure on the Lib Dems, at least, to change their ways.

IwantToRetire · 18/09/2025 01:24

fromorbit · 17/09/2025 20:52

Go Lib Voice for Women

Also covered in the Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15102917/Lib-Dems-trans-roles-reserved-women-reform-unlawful-diversity-rules.

Lib Voice for Women website also cover their motion and it includes a link to their legal advice on the Lib Dems which has implications for the Greens and other sexist parties.
https://liberalvoiceforwomen.org/blog/fair-and-lawful-quotas

As well as a stall the also have a fringe event:
https://liberalvoiceforwomen.telltix.com/events/liberalvoiceforwomen/1836661

Edited

Thanks for the link to Liberal Voice for Women.

Always important to listen to the women at the coal face.

Hope other Lib Dems will listen to them.

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