Nick Wallis - absolutely fascinating interview

Very interesting interview. He has that same easy confidence and charm that Andrew Doyle has.

It did strike me, however, that he's the charming and informed journalistic equivalent of every woman on Mumsnet.

His arguments are our arguments. His observations are the same as ours. His questions, identical. As is his clear disbelief at how far this has been allowed to get.

How many of us have thought this headline will do it, this court case, this outrage.

It's a very strange feeling, that women having spent so long being ignored, or challenged, or arrested, and not understanding why other people weren't jumping up and down, suddenly see other people jumping up and down. Like, of course this is nonsense. Dur.

And the bit that really grabbed me was where he said, at the end, something like the most important characteristic of a journalist is persistence.

If I had ever cut any part of a child up, prescribed puberty blockers, got someone arrested, attacked, predated on or targeted women, I'd be fucking worried about this man.

Yes, I wouldn't paint PE as a bastion of truth and accuracy, they are a bit hit and miss.

Thanks so much. That was an interesting and surprisingly clear read, considering how disappointing PE has been on this issue previously.

I hope these show up OK

I will have a go.

Would it be possible to post a screenshot?

I loved the interview, and in general I am feeling optimistic.

In the latest issue of Private Eye (Media News, p.18), there's a piece on Graham Linehan, featuring Lynsay Watson, judicial reviews, Wings Over Scotland, Helen Joyce, Sex Matters, etc.

That means a lot to me - abject coward as I am. Among my friends, Private Eye commands much more respect than Mumsnet, Wings, the Times, or any other sources I could point them to.

I hardly ever listen to podcasts but I'm so glad I took the time with this one.

What a thoroughly decent bloke, as well as clearly exceedingly good at proper traditional journalism. Perseverance, dedication to the truth and, though he doesn't say it, the lack of ego that makes the story the focus, rather than himself.

What a good interview. After so many years in the trenches of all this, his comments made me feel more optimistic. It's hard to see the shift but as he said, finally the grown ups are walking back into the room.

Another way to support Nick Wallis is to buy the follow-up to his book on the Horizon IT scandal:

https://bathpublishing.com/products/the-great-post-office-cover-up

This part is about how with the scandal emerging, it was covered up inside Post Office. This is actually the second part of the scandal, with the first being the prosecutions of subpostmasters.

It’s a really heartening listen. Nick is so articulate and intelligent. He’s ready to tell the truth where so many others have failed. It really cheered me up to hear a man who truly understands the issues and has so much respect for women.

There are so many parallels with the post office scandal. Those who dared to question the robustness of the Horizon IT system were silenced and punished. Same treatment for anyone questioning the TWAW mantra.

Nick is right - words need to mean something. You can’t change the meaning of such a crucial word as ‘woman’ without dismantling society as we know it. I hope Nick brings some much-needed sunlight.

'Pity it will take a man to be heard on this, but it was ever thus'

Absolutely, and he acknowledged that himself in the interview. He was cautious about getting involved in the issue at all, not because he couldn't be arsed (like a lot of men) but because he wasn't sure that anyone wanted a man barging in and taking over. He calls out the misogyny involved, and says that he has suffered no consequences at all since he's been covering the story, in contrast to so many other people, mostly women. So good to hear him name check Helen Joyce, Hannah Barnes, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock and others

Listening to him, I kept thinking of Helen Joyce, who has a similar calm, sane, competent, reassuring air. They're both on the side of sanity and truth, and they know it. Compared with the trans organisations he approached who refused to answer any of his questions 🙄

A great listen, a top bloke, and looking forward to hearing MUCH more from him

It's happening already , I was listening to the Media Show on R4 today. They were pontificating about the lack of trust in the BBC reporting , they didn't mention accurate reporting on trans women's pronouns and the surrounding erosion of women's rights. They were baffled

Listened today - Great interview! I like the fact he gives credit to others and recognises the misogyny

He certainly doesn't think gender "pronouns" are kind, does he? (Multiple posts as I'm just noting some points as I'm listening...)

"The point at which meaning breaks down, is the point at which society collapses."... "We are in the deepest trouble imaginable."

TWAW is a "category error", yes yes!

Indeed. Who lied first. And for what reason? I think we can guess (sex and power) but it would be good to really find out who.

My guess is it's linked to the paedophile information exchange. I don't think they ever really went away. This is a new angle. Aided and abetted by cross dressing men with sexual kicks and kinks.

Thank you for sharing - listening to it now, a great podcast.

Finished this on the way home today. Little bit in love.

What a wonderful, humble, resilient man - lived the way he gave credit to the women who went before him and really got the misogyny of the movement.

There’s an article in the FT today talking about how one young conservative influencer has been combing people’s social media posts and anyone applauding Charlie Kirk’s death she reports to their employer. Many have been fired. When asked, she says, in essence, it’s payback for the Left’s cancel culture approach. The young really have been badly let down by responsible adults who could’ve managed this so differently years ago.

An excellent listen. He's an optimist but a realistic one. The dangerous lunacy will die, because it's based on a lie, but it is so embedded it will take a generation to root it out.

It was interesting that he said that the BBC is vulnerable to a sudden, catastrophic loss of trust if it doesn't change its policy on pronouns.

I liked that he recognised the value of 'keep buggering on'. 'Ordinary' people who make complaints and challenge the nonsense can contribute to shifting the dial. It all helps.

Fantastic interview. Nick comes across like a top bloke and I’d happily stand him a pint. I will dig out his donation link on the glinner thread. I can’t wait to see how he takes this forward.

I have also subscribed to the podcast. Listening to the grown-ups talking sense is soothing.

Thanks for posting this OP, a fantastic interview on so many levels. And great life advice too - KBO! He has a lovely voice and manner, which is helpful.
From a personal perspective, having had my family damaged by this, it was helpful to hear the institutional capture recognised, as that has been one of the most difficult aspects of this journey. But most of all, I enjoyed his optimism that it is and will continue to unravel. Well worth a listen if you haven’t already.

I've just listen to it and it was very good, I look forward to reading everything he writes, hopefully he'll start shinning a very bright like on those responsible for this bat shittery. Hopefully the BBC might at least start listening now, and stop misgendering the nutter's. 😁

What's the betting though when it comes to someone in TV Land picking one of the 3 to dramatize it'll be the mans story. 😒