Another breastfeeding one

So how other companies train supporters is now also my fault is it? I can't change the content of courses I don't run.
We are mindful of Ableist language.

Shame on them, condoning what amounts to scientific experiments on tiny babies.

Nobody is "centering males" at all though. Using inclusive language centers nobody and quite frankly IS a simple matter.

Becky, you're misunderstanding my point about excluding women with disabilities.

When I did my face-to-face bf counsellor training, when I did my further online qualification (for supporting parents to feed human milk), at absolutely no point did anyone mention that some women may not have full use of both arms, or how to support them. Yes, bf cushions were mentioned, but not in the context of women with disabilities.

I would bet both of my shitty arms that you have more group members with physical disabilities than you do people who do not wish to be identified as a mother. Yet, you continue to offer ableist advice. I am sure that if an individual woman asked for advice specific for her situation, you would give it (you do/did generally give excellent advice). But my point is, in your group (of which I was a member for many years) you discuss the act of breast/chest/human-milk feeding as if all who do it have two arms that fully work as they should. Just as you have advised members that they should not assume all people who chest/human-milk/breast feed are mothers, or want to be called mums, you should also ask them to consider that there are a large number of disabled participants in your group and please be mindful of ableist language.

Well now you have.. so you'd prefer we didn't get profiles and let anyone in whether they are lactating or not? How does that keep members safe? Without vetting members anyone could join with a fake profile.

Centring males, or women who try to insist that they’re males, is not a simple matter, ffs!
You’re taking about a breastfeeding group…. Fucking hell.

Biologically female =/= ladies, woman, girl, mama etc

I have never heard of women having to verify they are lactating before joining an online group. I don't even dare ask in what form that demand for proof is taking place. Good grief, I feel revolted. The world is a dark place. Absolutely shocking.

As a midwife and a breastfeeding supporter 100% of the people I support are female.
Language can be modified for people who are uncomfortable presenting as female but biology is important to acknowledge.
If you are not biologically female I couldn't provide breastfeeding advice because the science I know is evidence based on the female body. As far as I am aware there is not an evidence base on males sustaining a baby on their secretions.
For those who English isn't their first language it may be difficult to make modifications to language, but they are amongst the most vulnerable in our society. Is excluding those who struggle with the intrecices of gendered English really inclusive?

Not to burst your bubble but LLL also promotes transgender lactation and inclusive language llli.org/breastfeeding-info/transgender-non-binary-parents/

If somebody feels their very existence is threatened unless they are constantly “validated” by other people, why does it become my burden to do it?
Normal people don’t crumble to dust if complete strangers don’t put their feelings front and centre.

You do know LLL are also trans inclusive. They removed 3 members for refusing to use inclusive language.

Every member is verified to ensure they are in fact lactating or working in a professional capacity alongside those who do lactate. But if you trust any group on social media to post your kids on that's a risk you take tbh. Other women can also be paedophiles, so can other mums, other lactating people, health care professionals, nursery staff, teachers etc

But that's exactly what youre saying. Segregate trans people because you dont care to be inclusive and would rather only be within a social setting of those who share the same excluding beliefs as you all because you cant care to be inclusive in such a simple manner?

You are luring women in need of help into online spaces for nefarious purposes. You are not there to primarily offer help and support. Any support is conditional on vulnerable women being forced into using gratuitous terminology with no medical, practical or relevant basis purely for the gratification of shady moderators who address women as 'doll' but find the word 'mum' repulsive.

I feel sick because I've been in breastfeeding groups where woman are trusting enough to post photos and now I am horrified at the thought of male voyeurs posing as 'chestfeeders' getting a kick out of this warped inclusiveness. This is the worst thing I have seen on the Internet for a long time. I will be phoning my LLL friend tomorrow.

I think looking at this thread though there are clear attempts to personally attack people for disagreeing with you, report people in real life for differing in opinion, and overall very heated unpleasant posts and posts purely aimed to troll and derail the thread. I mean even questioning why someone might become defensive when there's talk of reporting them, posting online about them in various groups etc - come on. I think we can do better than that in terms of how we engage with this type of debate. I understand why it's emotive for people but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be respectful in how you're approaching a discussion. (I mean the general you btw not you specifically)

I haven't though. So keep fishing.

Well yes to exclude trans people in the group only and trans erasure is absolutely transphobia.

But in this thread you have exhibited transphobia. You are the only one being transphobic. Please, for the sake of your vulnerable trans members, educate yourself. They deserve better.

Correction creating a space for anyone who needs lactating support regardless of their gender identity.

'Hey mamas' is transphobic? Wow.

As per another poster, I'm stepping off this thread - it is at another level of batshittery.

Hoping all the women who find themselves scolded by this group and self exclude find support groups who actually have their best interests at heart, instead of a group devoted to an arm flailing adherence to ideology.

The mental gymnastics you must’ve performed to come to this conclusion are impressive. My goodness.

Believe it or not. I don't really care tbh.

Oh no! I am deadly serious. The damage this group could do to the poor vulnerable trans folx they claim to support could be immeasurable. They’ve already denied transmen are biological men, excluded transwomen from womanhood, used offensive terms such as breastfeeding, claimed only biological women can chestfeed, and referred to birthing parents as “mothers”