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Wes Streeting’s Double Speak

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CrocsNotDocs · 15/09/2025 23:41

Seems like he is not for biological reality and protecting children from gender medicine after all. Caught on hidden camera pandering to the TRA mob. I really dislike people who speak out of different sides of their mouths to play to different audiences.

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ScrollingLeaves · 18/09/2025 17:35

GallantKumquat · 16/09/2025 00:33

Julie Bindle is inclined to be sympathetic:

I was at the event, and this is not a fair interpretation of it. Streeting was hit with very aggressive pro gender ideology questions and statements, and he hedged around a little bit, admitting that he was uncomfortable with being told by “Trans kids” that they were suffering because of not having puberty blockers. It’s a very different take to the one that James is spinning. Streeting did not say that he either didn’t want to ban puberty blockers, or that he regretted it:

I can see where she's coming from. But nothing Esse said was untrue and the video is available to see. At the least I would say it's horrible politics, even if it doesn't rise to the level of treachery.

https://nitter.poast.org/bindelj/status/1967702920532516879#m

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For me, referring to “trans kids” is wrong for a start.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/09/2025 17:28

Aah. I had almost believed him.

WifeOfTiresias · 18/09/2025 16:32

CrocsNotDocs · 15/09/2025 23:55

He presents one face to the Darlington nurses and another to the TRAs. What does the man actually believe?

I believe the man just believes in furthering his own interests, pure and simple. Very disappointing.

PhilOPastry62 · 18/09/2025 11:49

I'm inclined to trust Julie Bindel and Transgender Trend, both of whom were at the event and said the heavily edited video gives a misleading impression.

I don't particularly trust Streeting, but I think he might be the only politician who's admitted he'd been wrong on this issue in the past, and publicly changed his position. We've seen some reverse-ferreting in Scottish Labour, but neither Anas Sarwar nor Jackie Baillie have acknowledged much less apologised for the damage they did by not listening to women before the GRR bill and for whipping the party to vote with the SNP. Next to them, Streeting looks trustworthy and full of integrity!

colouringindoors · 18/09/2025 00:47

Really, really hope Bindel's right on this. And she's pretty smart. 🤞

Floisme · 17/09/2025 15:50

I'm not sure whether Lucy Powell is openly TWAW, I think it's more that she's talked about protecting 'women's spaces' without explaining exactly what she meant by the phrase. I can't recall her saying anything about it since the Supreme Court judgement.

What I do remember is her 'dog whistle' comment on Question Time when she was asked about grooming gangs. She did, in fairness apologise.

But all in all, I imagine Reform would be delighted if she were elected Deputy Leader.

Shortshriftandlethal · 17/09/2025 15:19

It seems Lucy Powell is now the front-runner for Deputy, registering more of the party membership vote.Personally not sure that this would be the best move for Labour as far as focusing on the threat posed by Reform is concerned; and she's TWAW isn't she?

StopGo · 17/09/2025 10:33

Whatthechicken · 15/09/2025 23:48

I smell a leadership challenge in the air. Maybe the unions have tapped him up because they have lost Rayner. Maybe they have asked him to tone it down a bit. The whole 'Blokes have to use the female toilets because they were born female' is 100% TRA play book. I was confident about Streeting - now, not so much. Stinks a bit of 'after the revolution sister' to me.

Why have the unions ‘lost’ Rayner? She is still an MP and a Privy Councillor (optional). Rayner is still eligible to be nominated if she wanted and there was enough backing.

TempestTost · 17/09/2025 02:45

My sense with WS is that he had a moment where he realised how incoherent the whole of GI is, that it wasn't what he thought, a kind of gay thing.

And he realises that long term it can't prevail, it's too full of contradictions and problems.

Not to say I think he's trustworthy or principled, maybe, maybe not. But he can see it's a stinker.

teawamutu · 16/09/2025 22:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2025 22:04

Many women on here have never trusted him due to his membership of Liam/Lily Madigan’s “Labour Against Transphobia” secret doxxing purge group.

I do sometimes wonder what happened to that creepy wee shite.

Seems to have literally vanished. Good riddance and all, but would be curious to know if the 'Lily' stunt having ceased to supply the narc requirements, he's reverted to Liam.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2025 22:04

Many women on here have never trusted him due to his membership of Liam/Lily Madigan’s “Labour Against Transphobia” secret doxxing purge group.

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/09/2025 19:38

PachacutisBadAuntie · 16/09/2025 17:54

There's a government summary here

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hillsborough-law-bill#:~:text=Details,and%20delivering%20justice%20for%20victims

I must admit I'm not entirely clear either, it seems to mostly be about inquests.

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Thanks!

Obviosuly I'm aware of Hillsborough. I live in Liverpool and was listening to the match on the radio that fateful day; and I'm obviously aware of the many years of inquest and enquiry that followed......but honestly don't understand what RTB's post was suggesting or implying?

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/09/2025 19:33

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 17:38

Errrr...

....then I can't help you.

Try paying attention to language and perceptions.

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What?

To those, including myself, who don't know about the Hillsborough law, or its ramifications, your post was esoteric. I was asking for clarification and explanation. What's the point in posting something if people do not understand its context?

PachacutisBadAuntie · 16/09/2025 17:54

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/09/2025 16:36

Can you explain......I'm not familiar with what the new law is going to imply, especially when it comes to gender?

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There's a government summary here

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hillsborough-law-bill#:~:text=Details,and%20delivering%20justice%20for%20victims

I must admit I'm not entirely clear either, it seems to mostly be about inquests.

Hillsborough Law Bill

The government has introduced the Public Office (Accountability) Bill, known as the Hillsborough Law, into Parliament.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hillsborough-law-bill#:~:text=Details,and%20delivering%20justice%20for%20victims

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 17:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/09/2025 16:36

Can you explain......I'm not familiar with what the new law is going to imply, especially when it comes to gender?

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Errrr...

....then I can't help you.

Try paying attention to language and perceptions.

NotAtMyAge · 16/09/2025 17:34

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/09/2025 16:19

Having read the comments, I'm persuaded to give Streeting the benefit of the doubt, but as in all things, that could change if credible information is received that makes it necessary to change my opinion. Lets hope I don't have to change my opinion. 🤔

I also agree, it's not a good idea to trust video clips that have obliviously been edited.

Apologies. Double posted.

NotAtMyAge · 16/09/2025 17:33

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/09/2025 16:19

Having read the comments, I'm persuaded to give Streeting the benefit of the doubt, but as in all things, that could change if credible information is received that makes it necessary to change my opinion. Lets hope I don't have to change my opinion. 🤔

I also agree, it's not a good idea to trust video clips that have obliviously been edited.

Especially when they give only two minutes out of a 40 minute recording and those two minutes have obviously been taken out of context and edited. I would want to watch the whole thing before even thinking of condemning him. I prefer to judge by actions, not words, and so far his actions have been what I would hope to see, given the febrile state of the Labour party and indeed wider society.

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/09/2025 16:36

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 15:00

Prediction: This Hillsborough Law thing is going to bite Labour on the arse fairly rapidly when it comes to Gender...

https://x.com/DavidLammy/status/1967950371017617745

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Can you explain......I'm not familiar with what the new law is going to imply, especially when it comes to gender?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/09/2025 16:19

Having read the comments, I'm persuaded to give Streeting the benefit of the doubt, but as in all things, that could change if credible information is received that makes it necessary to change my opinion. Lets hope I don't have to change my opinion. 🤔

I also agree, it's not a good idea to trust video clips that have obliviously been edited.

itainthalfcold · 16/09/2025 16:05

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/09/2025 03:38

Although I trust Julie Bindel’s description, I don’t trust Wes Streeting. Never have.

He’s a career politician who will bend with whatever way the wind is blowing to get to the top of the pile.

As PP have said, he never used to be GC, and was in favour of gender ideology. As the public mood changed and people were peaked, as the Cass report arrived, he did a complete u-turn on his views.

He’s been great in being so clear about puberty blockers etc but I have no doubt at all that if the pendulum swung back the other way he’d swap sides again to further his career.

When he’s backing policies that protect children and/or women, then I’m grateful to have his support. But I don’t believe that he’s authentic and I don’t trust him. He’s a snake who’s always been out for himself.

In fairness, plenty of people used to be non GC, me included.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 11:33

Leaving here for prostarity...

Wes Streeting’s Double Speak
Shortshriftandlethal · 16/09/2025 11:02

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/09/2025 09:24

I was going to say something similar. I totally understand his motivation, but his tweets are fairly click-baity.

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Aren't they all, though? The format of twitter encourages provocative posting.

NotAtMyAge · 16/09/2025 10:56

fromorbit · 16/09/2025 04:56

It is fair to say Streeting cannot be fully trusted, but that goes both ways. I think he is misleading and lying to the TAs here.

One - gender ideology is an electoral liability for Labour there is no way anyone who wants to have a chance vs SNP, Reform and Tories wants to go into an election confused about what a women is. Every day that gets more and more true. Look at the trend in the US. Look at the stance Scottish Labour are shifting to. Also the medical evidence is stacking up. The TAs keep losing court cases. The trend is one way. An ambitious politician will see this.

Two - As the Greens and possibly Your party as well go in for TWAW it is very much to Labour's advantage to go down the realist route. However also to lie to the TAs about their commitment to it. Basically Labour will be in the centre position they will be "nicer" to "trans" people than the right, say things, but do not much which cause them electoral damage. Meanwhile they get to look more sensible than Greens etc.

Three - As the recent nominations for the Deputy Leadership shows the TWAW faction inside Labour MPs is now tiny. Shabana Mahmood who was a supporter of Labour Women's Declaration is now Home Secretary. Streeting is ambitious that means appealing to most Labour MPs.

Four - Fear. Yes Streeting has been a snake. However lets not forget which side has brought down Sturgeon. Streeting isn't dumb. He knows that basically a core of lefty women who know they exist and refused to back down brought down one of the most successful politicians in Scotland. Yes maybe Streeting might want to turn on women. Yet for anyone not a fanatic the idea of going up against the Terfs in 2025 is not an attractive plan. Because the pro-women side has been taking on the NHS, Academia, the biggest corporations, the entertainment and fashion industries inside the UK and still keeps winning. Much of the British Right only switched sides to supporting women AFTER Terfs took the establishment on and they could see it was possible. That Streeting is a coward is hardly surprising, remember still very few people on the left will openly say the truth. The Terfs were right. Yet when the cameras are off they are saying it. The old saying is true - Let them hate us as long as they fear us.

Five Streeting is gay. I think he knows the TAs are homophobic, he doesn't want to confront them about it openly. He knows though. He was in denial about it for ages, but I think it is going to be difficult for him to go back to blindly sending gay kids to wreck their lives. Yet he still wants the LGBT community to like him. There is a deep conflict here for him.

A really good, clear analysis and I agree.

ItsCoolForCats · 16/09/2025 10:47

Agree with pp about James Eases as I am not a fan of his Twitter output either. I feel he increasingly goes for a sensationalist spin on things that is designed to provide outrage, rather than taking a more measured and nuanced approach. I don't think it's helpful.