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JKR accused of 'quoting hitler'

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Dominoodles · 15/09/2025 22:38

Within the context of condemning political violence following the murder of Charlie Kirk, she quoted on X a line from Mein Kampf where Hitler talked about how he utilised political violence for his own gain. This was a clear statement in how allowing for political violence against one's rivals can lead to that in power manipulating things in order to harm others.

Unfortunately, articles are springing up across the internet shaming JKR for quoting or referring to this text at all, with many condemning her for 'nazi' views and accusing her of being far right.

(Personally I love JK, and it is such a shame that every single thing she says is twisted to mean the opposite of what she's actually saying!)

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Anactor · 16/09/2025 14:03

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:12

tbh i've always thought that the WO quote was a very good summing up of that whole paragraph she said came after.

In that, everyone must look out for themselves, if they're lucky they have family who can help. Because what she should have also added is: and if they fall through all the cracks, the government will provide a basic safety net.

So while, yes, they didn't give the whole quote. They absolutely gave the whole meaning.

That suggests you misunderstand her meaning. ‘The government’ doesn’t provide a safety net. Because ‘the government’, I.e. society, is us.

The safety net is paid for by everyone who works - and if ‘the government’ forgets that everyone who works needs to provide for themselves and their families first, then we, as a society, are in trouble.

‘No government can do anything except through people.’ If you want a safety net, or a triple lock pension, people will have to pay for it.

(You’ve also changed ‘neighbour’ to ‘family’ for some reason.)

BundleBoogie · 16/09/2025 13:47

Instructions · 16/09/2025 12:44

The little brain plops of the TRA types who come here are extremely amusing. The cleverer and better informed they believe themselves to be, the more daft they always appear.

brain plops - I like this. Very apt.

spicetails · 16/09/2025 13:43

teawamutu · 16/09/2025 13:41

A bit like when children only have 'no, you' in their retort repertoire?

DARVO

BundleBoogie · 16/09/2025 13:42

teawamutu · 16/09/2025 07:32

So being asked about Hitler and replying with evidence in the form of a source quote by ...Hitler (in unfavourable terms and being clear that his methods were a Bad Thing) is Holocaust denial, is it?

Interested to know from our current crop of TRA exchange students how History degrees (or indeed A-levels and GCSEs, since not sure they'd be able to speak from personal experience yet) work these days then?

If I'd changed the names and said AOC was responding to a Terf they'd think it was the height of prescience. JKR's shopping list would be taken as definitive proof of her evil at this point.

JKR's shopping list would be taken as definitive proof of her evil at this point.

Yes, I think that’s where we’re at with these people.

So many have lost the power of rational thought.

teawamutu · 16/09/2025 13:41

RayonSunrise · 16/09/2025 13:39

Don’t worry, it’s just a TRA taking a phrase he’s heard a woman use to describe TRA tactics and trying to reverse it. Very common behaviour from them, and never makes any sense.

A bit like when children only have 'no, you' in their retort repertoire?

RayonSunrise · 16/09/2025 13:39

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:18

can someone explain this thread to me. I am lost.
Who is cry bullying?

Don’t worry, it’s just a TRA taking a phrase he’s heard a woman use to describe TRA tactics and trying to reverse it. Very common behaviour from them, and never makes any sense.

Mollyollydolly · 16/09/2025 13:32

Everything is so insane. When I was a teenager, Rock Against Racism, CND, (you get the picture) and passionately interested in politics I read Mein Kampf because I wanted to understand ideas (however abhorrent) and Marx and Engels. Now if you even touch the book you're a Nazi. It's all so stupid.

Datun · 16/09/2025 13:29

Howseitgoin · 16/09/2025 12:54

There's this thing called 'cry bullying' she excels at…

Mate, no one has to excel at anything, or cry, or bully, or be bullied. Or deliberately misinterpret what people say. Or be a bad faith poster.Nobody.

Just stay out of the ladies.

It's really that simple.

NotMyNigelFarage · 16/09/2025 13:23

Part of the issue is the medium of discussion nowadays - i.e. the internet. People can use disingenuous tactics that would very quickly be picked apart in a debate and would be less effective in an article because they often rely on convenient omission of info, which would be more evident in longer format (would look too brief/light on details and thus people might question it).

So, somebody can just tweet "wow, JKR is quoting Hitler now! " and not give any more context nor explanation. It'd be hard to do this in an article or debate where further exposition is required.

DialSquare · 16/09/2025 13:21

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:16

is it because all their selfies are in horrible, possibly cockroach infested, absolute dumps?

Yep, they never comment on the shit holes posted by genderists but continue to lie about JKR. They really have nothing.

NImumconfused · 16/09/2025 13:19

YourLemonTiger · 16/09/2025 11:48

I think it's very familiar to anyone who has brought up (less than perfectly well behaved) teenagers.

My own daughter because she's 16 considers everything I say, think and do to be bad because she is 16, she needs to push back even when I'm trying to help her and, possibly most importantly, she has poor mental health starting with an eating disorder.

Sympathy, I have one of those too.

Only the most tangential link to this thread, but Keira Knightly as Dolores Umbridge? Seriously?? 😱

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:18

Howseitgoin · 16/09/2025 12:54

There's this thing called 'cry bullying' she excels at…

can someone explain this thread to me. I am lost.
Who is cry bullying?

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:17

SirEctor · 16/09/2025 13:06

You support Goebbels?? Discusting 😡😡

live my life by his words and his words alone, of course.

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:16

DialSquare · 16/09/2025 12:42

They know full well she doesn’t have mould in her house. But lies are all they have so they keep on spouting them.

is it because all their selfies are in horrible, possibly cockroach infested, absolute dumps?

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:15

Namelessnelly · 16/09/2025 12:46

So you’ll also be condemning all those TRA who compare women saying no to the holocaust? If not, why not?

i don't see that but yes. I don't have any truck with holocaust minimising.

I'm in Germany. It is very clear what people are up to when they do that. EVERYONE should be calling out holocaust minimisers. Its one reason i'm still on X. I retweet every post by the Auschwitz Memorial.

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:12

YourLemonTiger · 16/09/2025 12:15

Selective quoting has been going on forever and is sadly a well known trick used by all political persuasions.

I'm old enough to remember this often still quoted 'gem' from the 1980s:

A comment from a Woman’s Own interview in 1987 is often repeated, but rarely in context: ”There is no such thing as society”. Its relevance was made explicit with the publication of the second volume of Margaret Thatcher’s autobiography in 1993:

“they never quoted the rest. I went on to say: There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour. My meaning, clear at the time but subsequently distorted beyond recognition, was that society was not an abstraction, separate from the men and women who composed it, but a living structure of individuals, families, neighbours and voluntary associations.“

tbh i've always thought that the WO quote was a very good summing up of that whole paragraph she said came after.

In that, everyone must look out for themselves, if they're lucky they have family who can help. Because what she should have also added is: and if they fall through all the cracks, the government will provide a basic safety net.

So while, yes, they didn't give the whole quote. They absolutely gave the whole meaning.

SirEctor · 16/09/2025 13:06

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:00

we need a goebbels quote here, i think.

“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be moulded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”

TRAs and Memes spring to mind.

You support Goebbels?? Discusting 😡😡

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 13:00

RayonSunrise · 16/09/2025 09:07

And given she wrote a blockbuster children’s book series on that very theme, it’s not surprising she’s researched it thoroughly.

The PP who quipped that many TRAs have memes instead of brains does have a serious point. Once you can get someone “learning”about history and politics through in-group memes, you can misinform them through over-simplification and repetition.

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we need a goebbels quote here, i think.

“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be moulded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”

TRAs and Memes spring to mind.

Howseitgoin · 16/09/2025 12:54

Namelessnelly · 16/09/2025 12:46

So you’ll also be condemning all those TRA who compare women saying no to the holocaust? If not, why not?

There's this thing called 'cry bullying' she excels at…

wintergolds · 16/09/2025 12:52

She quoted Hitler? She’s a smart woman she knew exactly the reaction that would get no matter the actual quote.

(I share her beliefs in general, btw)

Namelessnelly · 16/09/2025 12:46

SirBasil · 16/09/2025 12:38

utter piffle

So you’ll also be condemning all those TRA who compare women saying no to the holocaust? If not, why not?

Instructions · 16/09/2025 12:44

The little brain plops of the TRA types who come here are extremely amusing. The cleverer and better informed they believe themselves to be, the more daft they always appear.

DialSquare · 16/09/2025 12:42

ickky · 16/09/2025 12:19

😂😂😂

So the TRA's think Billionairess JK Rowling has black mould in her home?

She doesn't live in a grotty bedsit above a takeaway. What the fuck is wrong with them all?

They know full well she doesn’t have mould in her house. But lies are all they have so they keep on spouting them.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/09/2025 12:41

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/09/2025 01:28

JKR has done a Holocaust minimisation by quoting Mein Kampf by Hitler just to tweet a basic moral comment that murder is wrong no matter how awful you may think a person’s opinions are.

This is categorically antisemitic.

Keep in mind, Mein Kampf (My Battle) isn’t wholly a memoir. The part she quoted, he wasn’t writing about how he used political violence for his own gain, he was writing his plan for success.- “'The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."

Chillingly, Hitler defined success as a Germany rid of Jews (Judenrein), because he thought Jews were subhumans.

She has literally compared the murderer of a minor political activist to Hitler himself, and the plan for this murder to Hilter’s plan for the genocide of millions of Jewish people. Both plans ‘succeeded.’

I should not need to say that this is Holocaust minimisation and JKR should receive a lot of flak for this.

The memory of the Holocaust isn’t to be appropriated like that to shock jock a public controversy so you get those tons of views and upvotes on X (which can be monetised - not that she needs more money).

Yes JKR, murder is wrong. Try and post that without disrespecting the Holocaust. If you really feel a need to mention ‘fascism’ you can also do that without quoting Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf!!

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Out of interest, do you also scold the people who minimise the Holocaust by pretending that trans people were equally targeted by Hitler?

RayonSunrise · 16/09/2025 12:40

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 12:36

One of the interesting things about Kirk is just how good his trust rating are. In a world where politicians are not trusted this is extraordinary.

But then you look at all those deliberately edit in a way which makes it much worse than the context, it means that the trust is lost in the latter group and maybe even gained for Kirk because he is being honest in his views even if they are unpalatable.

Trust in authority is something that's central to the whole subject and we shouldn't be losing sight of this.

I’m curious about this, Red. Trust ratings from whom? My kids regarded CK as little more than a typical tribal social media influencer. His Oxford Union debate (according to them) saw him pretty robustly and successfully challenged by Oxford students, but his socials are full of “Oxford students DESTROYED” type rhetoric - so what’s the story here? I have been very much under the impression he was an influencer playing to his gallery.