JKR accused of 'quoting hitler'

I think JKR, and I, and various other posters, need to be thrown into deep water.

If we float we're antisemitic, if we drown we're not.

Obviously those of us from countries whose English word use is influenced by the fact its original language does not include 'yes' and 'no', and who thinks they sound rather rude, are doomed.

Thank you, I guess? For not swearing at me in public.

Obviously, she could have said something similar and that would have been fine. I have given an example so you understand generally what I would have found acceptable.

I think most of us use the standard that says “actions speak louder than words” - which is the standard I use.

As I said upthread, and I have posted links as well to articles discussing it so it is not just me that has this discomfort- this is not the first or even the second time JKR has caused controversy by doing or saying something with antisemitic undertones.

The outcry over this latest event on X is yet another incident. How hard would it have been to agree with an opponent in a debate on women’s rights that Hitler is as bad as a fundamentalist, totalitarian and/or terrorist? Why the complete deflection/dodging of a straight answer? Why choose to answer with a quote from Hitler’s Mein Kampf instead of maybe a quote from someone on nonviolence?

I am not flat out saying if she says what I want, I will assume it is in bad faith.
I have said I’d rather that she stop doing and saying antisemitic things.

There have been several antisemitic “oops” by her. This last one has had no apology from her as far as I know.

Can you blame me for being uncomfortable? It’s not just TRAs that are concerned here, there are women like me on the same side as JKR for women’s rights who are concerned about JKR and antisemitism.

Ah, so JKR's real crime was not following your personal script for her.

@AnSolas
Pardon me, but I think we here at least are all aware of Hitler and the fact that he would be included on the list with fundamentalists, totalitarians and terrorists.

I don’t think a tick box exercise is necessary as I have said this before.

My issue is JKR could not bring her self to say ‘yes’ to a political opponent when asked if she would include Hitler on the list.

It’s a simple question. Surely the best way to show you think that is to just say yes and not deflect and quote the evil man himself. Like he has anything written worth repeating.

Please see my earlier comment, maybe even actually read it this time.

Not going to tell you to fuck off, as it's a public board and your right to use it, but this is tedious and I'm done engaging with you.

No, here's what you said:

I am aware that whenever there is controversy over something she does or says that has antisemitic undertones that she very publicly and performatively affirms she is not antisemitic.

You're flat out saying here that, if she says what you want her to say, you're just going to assume it's in bad faith.

Do you use the same standard for anyone else?

I think quoting Hitler was more than a dick move. It was an escalation with antisemitic undertones. Quoting part of Hitler’s plan to externinate Jews to a Jewish woman who has asked is Hitler on the list (of bad types) could be perceived as threatening. It’s the ultimate wave a bigger dick back at you move and completely appropriates the genocide of 6 million Jews just to make a point about violence on X. It’s not ethical.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice

Can you do a simple tick the box check?

View point :
If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal.
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Answer:
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
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Is Hitler
□ agreeing with free speech or
□ is not agreeing with free speech
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View point:
If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist.
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Answer :
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
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Is Hitler
□ open to dialogue with opponents or
□ is not open to dialogue with opponents
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View point
If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian.
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Answer
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Is Hitler
□ open to contrary views or
□ is not open to contrary views
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View point
If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist.
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Answer
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Is Hitler
□ agreeing with political violence /death or
□ is not agreeing with political violence /death

I have been unfailingly polite

A trait of pinnipeds.

No, I would rather she not say and do antisemitic things if I’m being honest. One or two mistakes, followed by apology and affirmations are fair enough.

She should know better by now. That exchange on X is concerning.

No. I did say at the outset that she should have responded to the question by saying ‘yes I include Hitler on that list’ or similar.

See
“SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · Today 14:23
My people’s suffering at the hands of Hitler are not your analogy.
JKR should have condemned Hitler, by saying yes I include Hitler in that.
Instead she quoted him.
It’s like JKR is so polarised she cannot even bring herself agree with a Jewish woman who supports TRAs that Hitler is abhorrent.
That should be obvious common ground, right?“

So if she doesn't explicitly say it then that confirms she's antisemitic and if she does explicitly say it we should assume she's lying?

Should we be seeing if she weighs the same as a duck?

I have not invented anything. I have not been malicious at all to any poster. I have been unfailingly polite and measured despite some horrendous personal attacks directed towards me.

I am also not stupid nor unintelligent. These are personal attacks not in the spirit of the site and not how a fellow feminist should be treated. I hope you do not treat other minority women this way when they raise concerns about the type of racism that affects them?

It's all very Sandie Peggie.

"Harken unto me alle the Evil Thyngs that Wytch didst against Mine Righteous Self! That wytch didst talk to me, yet also didst not talk to me, didst gaze upon me, yet also didst not gaze upon me, didst not enter the changyng room whilst I was in it, yet also didst not enter the changyng room whilst I was in it..."

I am aware that whenever there is controversy over something she does or says that has antisemitic undertones that she very publicly and performatively affirms she is not antisemitic.

It just strikes me as similar to “I’m not antisemitic, but…”

Consider the possiblity that people who repeatedly call you stupid or unintelligent neither know nor care that you are Jewish, but are are engaging with your repeated demonstrations of inability or unpreparedness to understand what you read and your readiness to invent stuff on which to found unjustified and malicious accusations.

@teawamutu
”She didn't say 'no comment'. You are lying. Carry on lying if it pleases you, but everyone on here can read.”

I did not say that JKR said ‘no comment’

You have misread the exchange, I was answering the question posed to me by @DeanElderberry who asked me:
“If she had declined to answer the question about Hitler, treating it as trivial and unimportant, would you have viewed that as acceptable?”

my answer to that question (which I had quoted) was:
“Since JKR deflected and did not answer the question, yes that is unacceptable.
Saying ‘no comment’ to a question asking if one includes Hitler on the list that includes fundamentalists, totalitarians and terrorists does imply you don’t think he belongs on the list.”

What else do you think is a lie? I have not lied.

JKR probably should have factored in midwits and the malignly inclined when composing her reply, to be fair. But she perhaps, even now, underestimated the stupidity of some and the cupidity of others.

Please try to restrain yourself from personal attacks.
Further attacks will be reported.

Your bottom line (yet which you seem deflectingly defensive to actually admit, whilst otherwise being very productive with clouds of accusatory words) is that once JKR had been asked the question about Hitler, there was no way she could have responded acceptably in your (Righteous) view.

You are aware, aren't you, that JKR's condemnation of antisemitism over many years is a major part of why the Jeremy Corbyn stans hate her?

We will have to agree to disagree on JKR.
I tend to think people who repeatedly call me stupid or unintelligent are not engaging in good faith with my concerns about antisemitism.
I then wonder why are they being so defensive?

She didn't say 'no comment'. You are lying. Carry on lying if it pleases you, but everyone on here can read.

JKR probably should have factored in midwits and the malignly inclined when composing her reply, to be fair. But she perhaps, even now, underestimated the stupidity of some and the cupidity of others.

JKR deflected so she did not answer the question

she did answer the question

she did not deflect

she used a quotation that was unambiguous about Hitler's violence and evil

why are you so insistent on making yourself look stupid?